Tannehill's Valiant Effort Comes up Short.

[Mythos27]

8 minutes ago, nine said:

Tannehill is very good at executed plays exactly as they're drawn up.    When asked to go off-script and improvise, he struggles.

 

We've seen Tannehill in an offense where his OL gave him reasonably good protection and his receivers were capable of winning their battles and getting open.....he was highly productive and incredibly efficient.

 

For the past year or so, we've watched him play behind a porous O-line throwing to  receivers that get little or no separation....and he's struggled.   And he's taken a tremendous beating in the process.

 

In a sense, Tannehill is a lot like Henry:    when the people around him do their jobs, he can be very, very good and highly productive....but he's gotta have something to work with.     When the guys around him aren't pulling their weight and doing their jobs...it can get ugly real fast.

This is very much on point. When those two are struggling it's a strong signal that the team as a whole is fucked up. 

[BudsOilers]

7 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

This is very much on point. When those two are struggling it's a strong signal that the team as a whole is fucked up. 

 

The roster construction on the OL and at WR isn't good enough.  Now if you take AAS at her word, that was on Robinson.  Now the million dollar question is how much input or complicit agreement Vrabel had and has in it or whether he simply is reacting to what he's got in order to try to win games.....We shall see.

 

It should not be so daunting to put together offensive personnel that can run block and pass block adequately and have WR's that can get separation but also block downfield.

 

[ctm]

17 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

This is very much on point. When those two are struggling it's a strong signal that the team as a whole is fucked up. 

And that is why it's likely that both are here next year.  The new GM will want to see how both perform with an improved supporting cast.

[tgo]

29 minutes ago, nine said:

Tannehill is very good at executed plays exactly as they're drawn up.    When asked to go off-script and improvise, he struggles.

 

We've seen Tannehill in an offense where his OL gave him reasonably good protection and his receivers were capable of winning their battles and getting open.....he was highly productive and incredibly efficient.

 

For the past year or so, we've watched him play behind a porous O-line throwing to  receivers that get little or no separation....and he's struggled.   And he's taken a tremendous beating in the process.

 

In a sense, Tannehill is a lot like Henry:    when the people around him do their jobs, he can be very, very good and highly productive....but he's gotta have something to work with.     When the guys around him aren't pulling their weight and doing their jobs...it can get ugly real fast.

Yes! 
 

Well stated! 
 

So with both those contracts in tow - from a strategic perspective - how do you improve the offensive personnel enough in one offseason to make an older Tannehill+Henry combo effective? Doesn’t seem very likely. 

[Jas]

4 hours ago, BudsOilers said:

 

Watching it live I was yelling throw it to the flat.  If you watch Tannehill's drop, he never seemed to look there so clearly not the first couple of reads.  Yes Daley got destroyed but damn that was meat on the bone that Tannehill left.

 

This was a similar play like last week where they had someone (this time Conley instead of Chig) push the edge wide and Daley still barely got a hand on him.

 

It was 3rd and 9, so I don't really fault the QB trying to get a 1st down.  They planned help for Daley, it just didn't work.  Throwing it 5 yards behind the LOS wasn't likely to get the 1st and with as little time as Tannehill had, throwing to the RB would have had to been the primary option for him to be able to throw it.

 

If they had someone better than Fat Randy, a 52 yard FG wouldn't have been a problem anyway.  

[Number9]

Last year many a couple of us talked about how all those hits were showing an effect on Tannehill.  He just wasn't as decisive and didn't react as quickly.  This year, he's less mobile standing on his spot a few feet behind the los.  Even posters claiming he should be resigned have to be able to see the difference in how he handles himself the pocket.

 

When you really like a guy, it is harder to see his flaws.  But you understand how things go, the QB can't claim a safe spot behind the los.  Tannehill used to move around and make unscripted plays.  We just don't see much, if any of that anymore.  

 

Better than other QBs.  That's Tannehill's pay grade.  Henry is playing behind the same line, he's getting hit behind the los more(pct) than any other RB.  He's the #2 rusher in the league.  He's playing at an elite RB level.  He's playing above his compensation.  You only have to watch a few games and see Tannehill isn't lifting up the team by his play.

 

[big2033]

2 hours ago, nine said:

Tannehill is very good at executing plays exactly as they're drawn up.    When asked to go off-script and improvise, he struggles.

 

We've seen Tannehill in an offense where his OL gave him reasonably good protection and his receivers were capable of winning their battles and getting open.....he was highly productive and incredibly efficient.

 

For the past year or so, we've watched him play behind a porous O-line throwing to  receivers that get little or no separation....and he's struggled.   And he's taken a tremendous beating in the process.

 

In a sense, Tannehill is a lot like Henry:    when the people around him do their jobs, he can be very, very good and highly productive....but he's gotta have something to work with.     When the guys around him aren't pulling their weight and doing their jobs...it can get ugly real fast.

 

So you're saying when people around him do their jobs, Tannehill takes over games like Henry? I don't see the comparison. 

 

At his best, Tannehill executes. At his best Henry dominates. Despite all our issues, Henry is still producing for us and is our best offensive weapon.

 

Henry still had moments this year. One of which with absolutely no passing game.

[BudsOilers]

2 hours ago, Jas said:

 

This was a similar play like last week where they had someone (this time Conley instead of Chig) push the edge wide and Daley still barely got a hand on him.

 

It was 3rd and 9, so I don't really fault the QB trying to get a 1st down.  They planned help for Daley, it just didn't work.  Throwing it 5 yards behind the LOS wasn't likely to get the 1st and with as little time as Tannehill had, throwing to the RB would have had to been the primary option for him to be able to throw it.

 

If they had someone better than Fat Randy, a 52 yard FG wouldn't have been a problem anyway.  

 

I get all that but Tannehill hits his drop looked at least 2 reads and took the sack.  Made a pretty makeable FG a lot less likely and Haskins was wide open and he may in fact have gotten close to the 1st down.

 

I guarantee he and the OC would like a redo with Haskins as the primary there.  He was wide open.

[LOPEZ]

That's just it he has warning track  power ...Please realize  he's not getting  the job done...We can't build  around  him ..

[IowaOiler]

3 hours ago, Number9 said:

When you really like a guy, it is harder to see his flaws. 

 

Read that again, and think of Vrabel.

 

3 hours ago, big2033 said:

 

So you're saying when people around him do their jobs, Tannehill takes over games like Henry? I don't see the comparison. 

 

At his best, Tannehill executes. At his best Henry dominates. Despite all our issues, Henry is still producing for us and is our best offensive weapon.

 

Henry still had moments this year. One of which with absolutely no passing game.

 

Henry is producing volume stats.  He's far from efficient or taking over games.  The problem is that the offense for Tannehill's entire tenure has been based on Henry.  We really don't know what would happen if Tannehill was forced to throw it 50 times/game (like Cousins) and we weren't handing it off to an aging RB picking up 3 yards/carry.

[big2033]

1 minute ago, IowaOiler said:

 

Read that again, and think of Vrabel.

 

 

Henry is producing volume stats.  He's far from efficient or taking over games.  The problem is that the offense for Tannehill's entire tenure has been based on Henry.  We really don't know what would happen if Tannehill was forced to throw it 50 times/game (like Cousins) and we weren't handing it off to an aging RB picking up 3 yards/carry.

 

He has 2,000 yards and has broken several records on par with the greats. I'm not getting into this stupidity. 

 

We know what would happen ... it's called Miami. Now insert a bunch of excuses for him ... 

[Number9]

6 minutes ago, IowaOiler said:

Read that again, and think of Vrabel.

 

Okay. Okay. 

[IowaOiler]

3 minutes ago, big2033 said:

 

He has 2,000 yards and has broken several records on par with the greats. I'm not getting into this stupidity. 

 

We know what would happen ... it's called Miami. Now insert a bunch of excuses for him ... 

 

CJ has 2K too and has broken several records on par with the greats.  And?  Henry is not an efficient back, and teams built around 2 down backs are not real competitors. 

[big2033]

21 minutes ago, IowaOiler said:

 

CJ has 2K too and has broken several records on par with the greats.  And?  Henry is not an efficient back, and teams built around 2 down backs are not real competitors. 

 

Yeah him and CJ are the same player. 

 

Such a weird forum to be so up a players ass but make an effort to find every flaw in another.

 

And one is clearly WAY above the other.

 

Why do you people engage me? 

[Number9]

https://chargerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/18/chargers-titans-winners-losers-justin-herbert-keenan-allen/

Stud: Justin Herbert

Herbert bounced back from a rocky first half in which it looked like he was forcing throws and struggling to get on the same page with his receivers by delivering a diamond in the clutch and getting the Chargers into field goal range. As has become usual for the third-year quarterback, Herbert constantly delivered throws that only a handful of NFL signal callers can make. Whether it was a layered throw on the sideline, a dart down the field on the run, or the harpoon to Mike Williams in crunch time, Herbert was able to deliver when it mattered most and win the Chargers Sunday’s game.

 

That's how the Chargers saw Herbert.

 

 

How many games this season have we said similar about Tannehill?

 

If you read the article(s), Chargers fans are complaining about their coaches and players, too.