oldschool Posted February 16, 2022 Report Share Posted February 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, IowaOiler said: Dupree was coming off a significant injury. That said, Landry has been healthier, despite our moron HC wanting him to play every down. He's the Henry of defense. Not even close. Simmons is that guy if you are going that route. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted February 16, 2022 Report Share Posted February 16, 2022 43 minutes ago, oldschool said: Not even close. Simmons is that guy if you are going that route. Simmons will be the highest paid defensive lineman in the NFL when he gets his. (Unless Donald leverages another extension) Landry will be paid as a premium FA, but not in the top 10 at his position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted February 16, 2022 Report Share Posted February 16, 2022 Landry's production spiked last year when he had better players (Autry, Dupree added) around him. Those same guys will be here in 2022. Context matters. In addition, Landry would be signing a year after Dupree and market values typically rise year over year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prine06 Posted February 16, 2022 Report Share Posted February 16, 2022 I think Landry is a safe bet to keep producing. It seems like he was always at the top of pressures stats but never had any help to secure sacks. We saw what happens when that help is there and the QB can’t constantly roll away. I don’t think I’ve ever understood the value of that edge setting LB until we saw how much better the defense runs within Dupree in the lineup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted February 16, 2022 Report Share Posted February 16, 2022 Landry is a good player. You don't pay good players great money but the key is all in what's guaranteed more so than APY. It will be interesting to see how the Titans play this as there are some Edge alternatives in FA and the Draft. Same for how this impacts Landry's market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted February 16, 2022 Report Share Posted February 16, 2022 3 hours ago, oldschool said: I do. Paying him that after one year of production due to being on a stacked front is crazy. Dupree is a better overall player. It isn’t one year of production. Besides 2020 where he wasn’t allowed to actually rush the passer he’s been a force at the edge when he’s healthy. He also is very versatile as a rusher and in coverage. You don’t let 10+ sack guys walk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted February 16, 2022 Report Share Posted February 16, 2022 Landry isn't an elite pass rusher though. He's good not great. There's a reason why he's a question mark to be tagged and why he's not at the top of any FA lists..... Ideally the Titans find a way to keep him but you don't pay players like him 20 M per year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted February 16, 2022 Report Share Posted February 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: Landry isn't an elite pass rusher though. He's good not great. There's a reason why he's a question mark to be tagged and why he's not at the top of any FA lists..... Ideally the Titans find a way to keep him but you don't pay players like him 20 M per year. Like you said it’s about the guaranteed money. If he’ll take an incentive based contract with outs after the 3rd year I don’t have a problem guaranteeing him around 50-55 million over 3 seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatADaK Posted February 16, 2022 Report Share Posted February 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Like you said it’s about the guaranteed money. If he’ll take an incentive based contract with outs after the 3rd year I don’t have a problem guaranteeing him around 50-55 million over 3 seasons. Exactly...Guys wanna be paid which is understandable,but in the end it's a business.They gotta do what makes sense and Landry isnt some generational talent,he's gotten better.His health and the amount of plays his taken has to be factored in.It comes down to dollars and projecting the next few years,can u get a guy where speed like that can drop sometimes into coverage in the draft of half the price.I got a feeling their exploring the options rite now,if not u have to think a deal would have already been in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted February 16, 2022 Report Share Posted February 16, 2022 They'd be better off getting rid of Lewan (average and inconsistent LT at this stage in his career) and Saffold (Guard. no need to say more), and a bevy of other guys before letting Landry walk. Landry is right below the core guys (Tannehill, AJB, Henry, Simmons, Byard) in terms of importance and at a premium position. Out of the non-core premier starters, he is the most important and that includes Lewan and Fulton and Dupree right now bc of his rare versatility. If you let him go, you're creating another critical hole basically in order to keep an aging guard and/or an inconsistent slightly-above-average LT, or an aging WR with injury issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted February 16, 2022 Report Share Posted February 16, 2022 The issue is what price the market drives for Landry more so than anything else, knowing he's a good player and not a great one (and he's not). Especially knowing that Simmons is due for a monster deal. You can only have so many guys on big second contracts. Not sure moving from Lewan is smart either unless you're 100% convinced that Radunz is a stud LT..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieTitanFan08 Posted February 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2022 4 hours ago, oldschool said: I do. Paying him that after one year of production due to being on a stacked front is crazy. Dupree is a better overall player. It might be one year of double digit sack production (he did have 9.5 in 2019 with limited talent around him and Simmons was a rookie coming off an ACL) but he has ranked well in some of the next gen stats over a number of years, time from snap to QB pressure, number of pressures etc. Some here are overrating Bud Dupree while he is certainly a more powerful/violent player than Landry he is no where near as versatile/agile or durable (number of snaps played). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted February 16, 2022 Report Share Posted February 16, 2022 Landry and Dupree are perfectly complementary rushers. They're about the same level in terms of ability, just totally different skillsets. You pay both at the edge position - it's the most important position other than QB even if your guy isn't an All-World great player. 17M AAV is not an overpay here. You get to 20, and then it's highly questionable. But as others have said, the more important factor is the guaranteed money and the contract structure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted February 16, 2022 Report Share Posted February 16, 2022 The real compelling issue here to me is whether the Titans tag him or let him enter FA to test the market. How Robinson and Landry's agent read the market will be interesting. Using the tag obviously will be challenging in order to do anything else in FA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted February 16, 2022 Report Share Posted February 16, 2022 24 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: It isn’t one year of production. Besides 2020 where he wasn’t allowed to actually rush the passer he’s been a force at the edge when he’s healthy. He also is very versatile as a rusher and in coverage. You don’t let 10+ sack guys walk. yes it is. He was a disappointment until this year. Also he is not a force off the edge by any stretch. In fact most of his sacks and pressures came off stunts/twists this year. He's a good player that many Titans fan way overvalue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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