IsntLifeFunny Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, oldschool said: Manchin is 73 and likes the power he wields. Being from a red state, he isn't likely to be the deciding vote on gutting the filibuster. the only chance is if reform over elimination is in play and there has been no evidence of that so far. Yeah. That’s what I think will eventually happen with Manchin. I’m not nearly as optimistic with Sinema after her faux McCain moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I’m not optimistic about ending it, but I do think Manchin will come around to some type of reform. I’m not optimistic about either, but at least there is a glimmer of hope about simply reforming the filibuster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Personally I don't think there's any chance of any changes to the filibuster in the immediate future. Kind of seems like the status quo will hold until 2022. Maybe if Democrats expand their majorities it will happen. I expect that they won't though and this will kind of die on the vine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, Titans279 said: Personally I don't think there's any chance of any changes to the filibuster in the immediate future. Kind of seems like the status quo will hold until 2022. Maybe if Democrats expand their majorities it will happen. I expect that they won't though and this will kind of die on the vine. I agree. I believe the most likely scenario is that Sinema and Manchin don't want to be the deciding votes on anything to do with the filibuster since they are up in 2024. they will wait for the Dems to win more seats in 2024 which is expected and let a few of the new senators be the deciding the vote(s). Make no mistake the overwhelming majority of senators care about one thing and one thing only, staying in power. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 3 hours ago, Titans279 said: Personally I don't think there's any chance of any changes to the filibuster in the immediate future. Kind of seems like the status quo will hold until 2022. Maybe if Democrats expand their majorities it will happen. I expect that they won't though and this will kind of die on the vine. Yep. It isn’t happening unless Dems turnout for 2022. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted June 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 The filibuster rule isn't so much the issue as not being able to pass bills with 51 yeas. Dems could get rid of the filibuster and still not be able to pass anything. Both parties should be allowed ONE opportunity per numbered congress (every 2 years) to pass something non-budgetary with just 51 votes. That's a fair way to maintain the spirit of encouraging bipartisanship but still releasing gridlock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luvyablue256 Posted June 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Titans279 said: She's not all wrong about the false choice. Gutting the filibuster is a moot cause if you still need 60 yeas once a filibuster is broken Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 minute ago, luvyablue256 said: She's not all wrong about the false choice. Gutting the filibuster is a moot cause if you still need 60 yeas once a filibuster is broken What makes you think that this is true? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted June 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 23 minutes ago, Titans279 said: What makes you think that this is true? Lets say the filibuster rule is changed and SB (for the people act) makes it the floor for a vote. You still need 10 Republicans regardless, right? I may have it wrong, but aren't the 60 vote rule and the unlimited debate rule (unless 60 vote to end debate) 2 separate procedures? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 10 hours ago, tgo said: They'll filibuster it and Manchin/Sinema still won't end the filibuster, most likely. They'll end up being worse than the GOP if this is true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: They'll end up being worse than the GOP if this is true. Well Manchin is a relic of the past and still has too much goodwill toward the modern iteration of the Republican (AKA Trump) Party. Like this whole infrastructure negotiation dance they're doing is just to push Manchin into a party line vote and prove they tried so he can feel ok about voting yes. I think 2022 is the year we see movement on the filibuster, if ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 Just now, tgo said: I think 2022 is the year we see movement on the filibuster, if ever. The GOP is likely to steal the midterms Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 minute ago, OILERMAN said: The GOP is likely to steal the midterms In the House yes, but not the Senate. I think Dems keep the Senate and may even expand their majority due to the map and Republican retirements - and the Senate sets their own rules regarding cloture/filibuster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 31 minutes ago, luvyablue256 said: Lets say the filibuster rule is changed and SB (for the people act) makes it the floor for a vote. You still need 10 Republicans regardless, right? I may have it wrong, but aren't the 60 vote rule and the unlimited debate rule (unless 60 vote to end debate) 2 separate procedures? Bills pass the senate on a simple majority vote. The only reason they need 60 votes is for cloture (to end the filibuster). But they could easily change that rule where you don’t need 60 votes to bring cloture, you need 41 to sustain the filibuster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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