JLocker10 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 I think it's funny that some of you who bash Griffin about his tackling constantly want Asante Samuel Asante Samuel is arguably the worst tackling DB in the entire league #1:"Samuel attempted just 36 tackles, and missed 10 of them, missing a tackle in every 3.6 attempts. Only Brandon McDonald had a worse ratio, missing one of every 3.2 attempts he made." http://birdphood.com/2011/05/23/was-asante-samuel-the-nfls-worst-tackling-corner-in-the-2011-season/ #2: "The fact that Samuel can't tackle hardly is a revelation. The Eagles knew it last year and still handed the two-time Pro Bowler a six-year, $57 million contract. "It's one of those things where, when they acquired him, they knew what he was," said NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock, who played cornerback for the Giants a hundred years ago. "What you're saying is, 'We need a corner and we value his playmaking instincts more so than we are frustrated by his lack of tackling. And if we play him the way we hope to, he won't be involved in tackling as much." At least once or twice a game, Samuel manages to make you shake your head with some of the lamest tackling attempts this side of your seven-year-old's midget football team. Like the one late in the first quarter Sunday when he tried to use nothing but his shoulder to bring down Redskins wide receiver Devin Thomas on a screen pass and caromed off him like a bird running into a storm window." http://patsblog.projo.com/2009/12/asante-samuel-c.html #3: Bottom 15 Defensive Backs, Tackle Attempts per Miss, 2008-2010 Player Sacks Tackles Assists Misses Attempts / Miss Asante Samuel 0 111 9 36 4.33 Marvin White 0 93 14 25 5.28 Tanard Jackson 1 114 15 30 5.33 Nnamdi Asomugha 0 84 5 20 5.45 Sherrod Martin 0 70 20 20 5.50 Melvin Bullitt 0 133 12 32 5.53 Drew Coleman 5 70 4 16 5.94 Donald Strickland 3 69 8 16 6.00 Ronde Barber 4 202 17 44 6.07 Edward Reed 1 122 14 27 6.07 Shawntae Spencer 0 95 4 19 6.21 Vontae Davis 0 90 9 19 6.21 Sabby Piscitelli 0 115 13 24 6.33 Fabian Washington 0 105 7 21 6.33 Aaron Rouse 1 86 9 17 6.65 Funny, the one who gets demonized all the time (Griffin) isn't even on this list http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/07/21/missed-tackles-three-year-bests-and-worsts/ #4: "According to Pro Football Focus, the Philadelphia Eagles had the worst tackling cornerbacks in the league in the 2011 season. I’m really shocked to hear this. Most of my memories from the 2011 Eagles are Nnamdi Asomugha, Asante Samuel, and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie laying huge hits on opposing players. (Yes. That was sarcasm.) This season, Asomugha missed 12 of his 52 tackle attempts (23 percent). That ranks him 100th out of 101 qualifying cornerbacks in the league. Rodgers-Cromartie missed 7 of 32 tackles (21.9 percent). That rates him as the 98th best tackling cornerback in the NFL. Asante Samuel missed 8 of his 38 tackles (21.1 percent). That rates him as the 91st best tackling corner in the league. That’s three of the 11 worst tackling cornerbacks in the NFL on ONE TEAM! No wonder the Eagles lost eight games this season. You can’t tackle, you can’t win." http://www.rantsports.com/philadelphia-eagles/2012/02/15/philadelphia-eagles-ranked-as-nfls-worst-tackling-cornerbacks-in-2011/ He is a good coverage guy though, freelances at times though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanJoe28 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 I think it's funny that some of you who bash Griffin about his tackling constantly want Asante Samuel Asante Samuel is arguably the worst tackling DB in the entire league #1:"Samuel attempted just 36 tackles, and missed 10 of them, missing a tackle in every 3.6 attempts. Only Brandon McDonald had a worse ratio, missing one of every 3.2 attempts he made." http://birdphood.com...he-2011-season/ #2: "The fact that Samuel can't tackle hardly is a revelation. The Eagles knew it last year and still handed the two-time Pro Bowler a six-year, $57 million contract. "It's one of those things where, when they acquired him, they knew what he was," said NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock, who played cornerback for the Giants a hundred years ago. "What you're saying is, 'We need a corner and we value his playmaking instincts more so than we are frustrated by his lack of tackling. And if we play him the way we hope to, he won't be involved in tackling as much." At least once or twice a game, Samuel manages to make you shake your head with some of the lamest tackling attempts this side of your seven-year-old's midget football team. Like the one late in the first quarter Sunday when he tried to use nothing but his shoulder to bring down Redskins wide receiver Devin Thomas on a screen pass and caromed off him like a bird running into a storm window." http://patsblog.proj...e-samuel-c.html #3: Bottom 15 Defensive Backs, Tackle Attempts per Miss, 2008-2010 Player Sacks Tackles Assists Misses Attempts / Miss Asante Samuel 0 111 9 36 4.33 Marvin White 0 93 14 25 5.28 Tanard Jackson 1 114 15 30 5.33 Nnamdi Asomugha 0 84 5 20 5.45 Sherrod Martin 0 70 20 20 5.50 Melvin Bullitt 0 133 12 32 5.53 Drew Coleman 5 70 4 16 5.94 Donald Strickland 3 69 8 16 6.00 Ronde Barber 4 202 17 44 6.07 Edward Reed 1 122 14 27 6.07 Shawntae Spencer 0 95 4 19 6.21 Vontae Davis 0 90 9 19 6.21 Sabby Piscitelli 0 115 13 24 6.33 Fabian Washington 0 105 7 21 6.33 Aaron Rouse 1 86 9 17 6.65 Funny, the one who gets demonized all the time (Griffin) isn't even on this list http://www.profootba...sts-and-worsts/ #4: "According to Pro Football Focus, the Philadelphia Eagles had the worst tackling cornerbacks in the league in the 2011 season. I’m really shocked to hear this. Most of my memories from the 2011 Eagles are Nnamdi Asomugha, Asante Samuel, and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie laying huge hits on opposing players. (Yes. That was sarcasm.) This season, Asomugha missed 12 of his 52 tackle attempts (23 percent). That ranks him 100th out of 101 qualifying cornerbacks in the league. Rodgers-Cromartie missed 7 of 32 tackles (21.9 percent). That rates him as the 98th best tackling cornerback in the NFL. Asante Samuel missed 8 of his 38 tackles (21.1 percent). That rates him as the 91st best tackling corner in the league. That’s three of the 11 worst tackling cornerbacks in the NFL on ONE TEAM! No wonder the Eagles lost eight games this season. You can’t tackle, you can’t win." http://www.rantsport...rbacks-in-2011/ He is a good coverage guy though, freelances at times though. Some pretty talented CB's on that list..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLocker10 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Some pretty talented CB's on that list..... The worst tackling safeties this season according to PFF: 2011 Tackling: Safeties, Bottom 20 # Name Team Total Snaps Total Attempts Total Misses Tackle Efficiency 68 Jordan Babineaux TEN 887 98 18 5.4 69 Brandon Meriweather CHI 394 27 5 5.4 70 Edward Reed BLT 997 58 11 5.3 71 Reshad Jones MIA 622 58 11 5.3 72 Jim Leonhard NYJ 748 48 9 5.3 73 Kendrick Lewis KC 919 62 12 5.2 74 Brodney Pool NYJ 523 36 7 5.1 75 Jarrad Page PHI 295 36 7 5.1 76 Michael Mitchell OAK 464 25 5 5.0 77 Charles Godfrey CAR 821 88 18 4.9 78 Louis Delmas DET 629 58 12 4.8 79 Deon Grant NYG 839 57 12 4.8 80 Joe Lefeged IND 390 29 6 4.8 81 Donald Washington KC 299 24 5 4.8 82 Sherrod Martin CAR 938 68 15 4.5 83 Mistral Raymond MIN 360 18 4 4.5 83 Darian Stewart SL 859 85 20 4.3 85 Jon McGraw KC 462 47 11 4.3 86 Rahim Moore DEN 497 38 10 3.8 87 Chris Harris DET 372 22 6 3.7 88 Tanard Jackson TB 498 57 24 2.4 Funny, Babs is the worst on this list and Griffin gets treated like he's the worst ever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiler FANatic Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 I think it's funny that some of you who bash Griffin about his tackling constantly want Asante Samuel Asante Samuel is arguably the worst tackling DB in the entire league He is a good coverage guy though, freelances at times though. You could say the exact same thing about Deion Sanders, great cover skills but a horrible tackler. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLocker10 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 You could say the exact same thing about Deion Sanders, great cover skills but a horrible tackler. Yeah, and he's a HOF Asante Samuel ain't making any HOF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 If we were going to pay a corner anywhere near 10M a year, then we should have kept Finny. He is younger and better than Samuel in my opinion. And we wouldn't have needed to give up a pick for him either. It would make no sense to let Finny walk then trade for a 31yr old who makes 9.5 mill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanJoe28 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 The worst tackling safeties this season according to PFF: 2011 Tackling: Safeties, Bottom 20 # Name Team Total Snaps Total Attempts Total Misses Tackle Efficiency 68 Jordan Babineaux TEN 887 98 18 5.4 69 Brandon Meriweather CHI 394 27 5 5.4 70 Edward Reed BLT 997 58 11 5.3 71 Reshad Jones MIA 622 58 11 5.3 72 Jim Leonhard NYJ 748 48 9 5.3 73 Kendrick Lewis KC 919 62 12 5.2 74 Brodney Pool NYJ 523 36 7 5.1 75 Jarrad Page PHI 295 36 7 5.1 76 Michael Mitchell OAK 464 25 5 5.0 77 Charles Godfrey CAR 821 88 18 4.9 78 Louis Delmas DET 629 58 12 4.8 79 Deon Grant NYG 839 57 12 4.8 80 Joe Lefeged IND 390 29 6 4.8 81 Donald Washington KC 299 24 5 4.8 82 Sherrod Martin CAR 938 68 15 4.5 83 Mistral Raymond MIN 360 18 4 4.5 83 Darian Stewart SL 859 85 20 4.3 85 Jon McGraw KC 462 47 11 4.3 86 Rahim Moore DEN 497 38 10 3.8 87 Chris Harris DET 372 22 6 3.7 88 Tanard Jackson TB 498 57 24 2.4 Funny, Babs is the worst on this list and Griffin gets treated like he's the worst ever I see where you are going with this. It sucks to have CB's and safeties missing tackles all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Read that again Locker. He is not the worst. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEPPELIN Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 So Samuel, Griffin, Babineaux = Lamont Thompson3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiler FANatic Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Samuel isn't more expensive than Finny either. Cortland is guaranteed to make $24M in 2012 and 2013. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLocker10 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Samuel isn't more expensive than Finny either. Cortland is guaranteed to make $24M in 2012 and 2013. pass on Samuel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Finny is getting 6 mill this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLocker10 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Not to mention if we wanted to spend that kind of money on a CB besides Finny would could have just signed Brandon Carr for 10 mil a year. He and McCourty would make a nice set of book end CBs (Carr is 6'0, 207) and Carr is only 25 years old. It amazes me how ridiculous this whole idea is. It is People who don't like Griffin are really not going to like Samuel I'm not sure how you can hate Griffin for his tackling and want Samuel This won't happen, but I'd rather trade a 3rd for Osi Umenyiora if we were thinking about trading a pick for someone who will command a high salary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLocker10 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 So you think it is a good idea to pay him only 9.5 a year at 31 years old? Who's the last over 30 player PHI let go that went on to have big success? Flops: Donovan McNabb, Hugh Douglas, Bobby Taylor, James Thrash, Tra Thomas, etc And I know I'm forgetting some guys, but those are examples that come to mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutismDetector Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 The worst tackling safeties this season according to PFF: 2011 Tackling: Safeties, Bottom 20 # Name Team Total Snaps Total Attempts Total Misses Tackle Efficiency 68 Jordan Babineaux TEN 887 98 18 5.4 69 Brandon Meriweather CHI 394 27 5 5.4 70 Edward Reed BLT 997 58 11 5.3 71 Reshad Jones MIA 622 58 11 5.3 72 Jim Leonhard NYJ 748 48 9 5.3 73 Kendrick Lewis KC 919 62 12 5.2 74 Brodney Pool NYJ 523 36 7 5.1 75 Jarrad Page PHI 295 36 7 5.1 76 Michael Mitchell OAK 464 25 5 5.0 77 Charles Godfrey CAR 821 88 18 4.9 78 Louis Delmas DET 629 58 12 4.8 79 Deon Grant NYG 839 57 12 4.8 80 Joe Lefeged IND 390 29 6 4.8 81 Donald Washington KC 299 24 5 4.8 82 Sherrod Martin CAR 938 68 15 4.5 83 Mistral Raymond MIN 360 18 4 4.5 83 Darian Stewart SL 859 85 20 4.3 85 Jon McGraw KC 462 47 11 4.3 86 Rahim Moore DEN 497 38 10 3.8 87 Chris Harris DET 372 22 6 3.7 88 Tanard Jackson TB 498 57 24 2.4 Funny, Babs is the worst on this list and Griffin gets treated like he's the worst ever Isn't Tanard Jackson the worst on the list? Babs is actually the best on this part of the list! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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