Legaltitan Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 The private industry, from hospitals to drug companies to insurance companies, does an absolutely terrible job running healthcare. It's a mess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Legaltitan said: The private industry, from hospitals to drug companies to insurance companies, does an absolutely terrible job running healthcare. It's a mess It’s all about priorities. They prioritize profit. What we need is a system that prioritizes efficiency (along with quality care, obviously). There is room for profit in the healthcare industry, but it shouldn’t be the priority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 23 minutes ago, Starkiller said: It’s all about priorities. They prioritize profit. What we need is a system that prioritizes efficiency (along with quality care, obviously). There is room for profit in the healthcare industry, but it shouldn’t be the priority. People oftentimes don’t recognize the difference between profit and salaries. If you socialize medicine no one will want to be a doctor! If you socialize medicine no one will want to do the R&D! It’s such a misrepresentation of how things actually work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: People oftentimes don’t recognize the difference between profit and salaries. If you socialize medicine no one will want to be a doctor! If you socialize medicine no one will want to do the R&D! It’s such a misrepresentation of how things actually work. Right. Under our current system and its inefficiencies, it is shareholders of insurance companies and large hospital conglomerates that are making the big bucks. Sure doctors are getting their cut, but as you say there is no reason why doctors couldn't continue to be highly compensated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Soxcat said: How does that work if we have millions of illegals crossing the border. Do they get the free healthcare as well? They already do for the most part, fuzu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 6 hours ago, luvyablue256 said: "People" or "enough people in swing states?" Both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Soxcat said: How does that work if we have millions of illegals crossing the border. Do they get the free healthcare as well? They already get free healthcare because they go to the emergency room and can’t pay. As for whether they would get coverage in a Medicare for all system, no. You would have to be a citizen or possibly even a legal immigrant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No1TitansFan Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 36 minutes ago, Starkiller said: They already get free healthcare because they go to the emergency room and can’t pay. As for whether they would get coverage in a Medicare for all system, no. You would have to be a citizen or possibly even a legal immigrant. My mom got taken to Southern Hills ER two years ago after a fall at her facility. I glanced at the sign in sheet and most of the names had no SSN in the spot they were supposed to fill in and the ones that did most were obviously false. We're all paying for care for illegals and uninsured (which were probably a significant number of that list; if you're Hispanic and uninsured, you are certainly aware of how to use the ER system regardless of immigration status), it's actually much cheaper to treat many things before a trip to the ER is called for; it's time for people to get over this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No1TitansFan Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 At the very least, we should try what Hillary proposed, allowing older low income citizens to get on Medicare early, it would be a good trial of expanding Medicare and would help lower premiums on the various exchanges as that population would become younger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 If people think that Medicare is too expensive to put everyone on then consider that it is expensive because of who it currently covers. The fact is, the most expensive care tends to be for seniors who are on Medicare. They are obviously going to be way more expensive per person than any other age group. So by making every citizen a Medicare patient you would also bring down the average cost of Medicare on a per capita basis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 I suggest death panels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, Starkiller said: If people think that Medicare is too expensive to put everyone on then consider that it is expensive because of who it currently covers. The fact is, the most expensive care tends to be for seniors who are on Medicare. They are obviously going to be way more expensive per person than any other age group. So by making every citizen a Medicare patient you would also bring down the average cost of Medicare on a per capita basis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 39 minutes ago, Starkiller said: If people think that Medicare is too expensive to put everyone on then consider that it is expensive because of who it currently covers. The fact is, the most expensive care tends to be for seniors who are on Medicare. They are obviously going to be way more expensive per person than any other age group. So by making every citizen a Medicare patient you would also bring down the average cost of Medicare on a per capita basis. Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to stop making all that sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No1TitansFan Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 hours ago, OILERMAN said: I suggest death panels I get the joke, but it truly is an issue; we spend billions of dollars a year on very expensive care on people who have no chance of recovery, largely because if someone is well insured, it only takes one family member unwilling to let somebody go insisting on heroic measures. At some point it needs to be addressed. I know first hand how hard it can be; and often times family physicians are reluctant to be honest with family members holding on to desperate hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 7 hours ago, No1TitansFan said: I get the joke, but it truly is an issue; we spend billions of dollars a year on very expensive care on people who have no chance of recovery, largely because if someone is well insured, it only takes one family member unwilling to let somebody go insisting on heroic measures. At some point it needs to be addressed. I know first hand how hard it can be; and often times family physicians are reluctant to be honest with family members holding on to desperate hope. I wasn't kidding There is a ton of cost after someone is clearly near the end Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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