Schefter names the Titans as one of four teams in the chase for WR Demaryius Thomas

[NashvilleNinja]

 

[AussieTitanFan08]

 

[Titans279]

4 hours ago, Soxcat said:

Believe it or not Taylor is ranked ahead of Cobb so far this year.  He had that one bad drop where he was looking where he was going to run before the catch.  He gets blamed for not making a diving catch in the endzone and another catch with a defender interfering with him.  Still, he has shown he can be explosive and can make yards after the catch.  He is also a viable field stretcher.  So no, we can do much worse.  I think the kid has a bright future. 

Cobb has played 4 games and hasn’t been good since 2014. Being ranked above him isn’t saying much. 

[Justafan]

4 hours ago, JakePA_Titan said:

Thats funny because those protecting Mariota say it's not all about the numbers.

 

Yet when it comes to Taylor, that's all they are looking at. 

 

There is two glaring differences between taylors and Davis' stats.

 

Davis has 200 more yards. Taylor has a catch % of 67 while Davis' is at 53. Both have 1 TD.

 

So Davis is ranked 80 spots better simply because he has 200 more yards as the #1 WR and top 5 pick?

 

Yes, very misleading are those rankings...

The rankings I believe are based on yards so yes.  They are both bottom of the barrel because this offense averages like 30 yards a game it seems like. 

 

I have no idea why people have not been more critical of Lafluer and Mariota.  Outside of the Eagles game they have both been largely inneffective.  There is context to add for sure but that does not excuse either of them for deserved criticism.  

 

The WR's are at least young but I won't lie, I've about seen enough of Taylor I'm basically ready to give up on him.  It's much easier to give up on a WR than some other positions though.  

[NashvilleNinja]

6 minutes ago, Justafan said:

The rankings I believe are based on yards so yes.  They are both bottom of the barrel because this offense averages like 30 yards a game it seems like. 

 

I have no idea why people have not been more critical of Lafluer and Mariota.  Outside of the Eagles game they have both been largely inneffective.  There is context to add for sure but that does not excuse either of them for deserved criticism.  

 

The WR's are at least young but I won't lie, I've about seen enough of Taylor I'm basically ready to give up on him.  It's much easier to give up on a WR than some other positions though.  

Are you regressing? There's been plenty of criticism. And we know why the offense has been shit. Overall unfamiliarity in a new system, various injury issues, receivers inability to catch a ball, running game has been mostly neutered, oline can't create a decent pocket for Mariota to pass out of, and Mariota... as a result... has either been or looked indecisive.

 

It isn't any one thing. And they said this would take time. Our fan expectations, as they typically are, were way off base and full of hope and hype due to the fact LaFleur came from the Rams. And it doesn't matter how many times this shit gets explained... instant fan reaction is always going to drown out logic and calm. Not to mention the shit stirring trolls around here who get off on watching people go off.

[Justafan]

7 minutes ago, JakePA_Titan said:

If you arent ready to give up on Davis, idk how you can feel that way about Taylor. 

 

Taylor averaged 14.4 yards per catch last season. Corey's best year, this year. He is averaging 13.3. Taylor is at 10 this year.

 

They both have one lousy TD in their short careers. Not counting Davis' TD against NE in last year's playoffs.

 

But if you count it....

 

Both are averaging around 13 yards per catch for their careers. Davis has one more TD than does Taylor.

 

Taylors catch % is superior to Davis'. I could make a good case that if Taylor got the same volume, his numbers would be just as good if not better than Davis'.

 

So if you are ready to give up on Taylor, you might as well be calling Davis a bust as well.

 

5th overall to 3rd round player. The numbers shouldn't be that close. And since they are and you want to write off Taylor, stay consistent...do it with Davis too.

That's not the way this works at all man.  Taylor isn't getting thrown at very much for a reason.  Davis has at least flashed and is usually facing the best competition week in and week out.  He's also had big games and has made a bunch of very tough catches.  Name the tough catch that you can remember Taylor making.  He can't track the ball deep.  He drops easy throws.  He has trouble gaining separation.  He has trouble understanding the offense.  He doesn't understand how to work the zones.  He clearly hasn't been on the same page with the QB.

 

Davis is MILES ahead of Taylor.  It blows my mind you would even try to make this argument.  Especially with a guy who is the #2 WR on a team and has 19 receptions in 7 games.  You can't just say if he got the same number of targets as Davis he would get the same production.  That's just not the way it works.  He has gotten plenty of looks, he just isn't getting targeted.  

 

The numbers aren't close by the way.  They just seem that way because the offense as a whole doesn't really produce and they have very limited targets going around but Davis production more than doubles Taylors and against better competition.  

 

Ridiculous comparison.

[Justafan]

2 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said:

Are you regressing? There's been plenty of criticism. And we know why the offense has been shit. Overall unfamiliarity in a new system, various injury issues, receivers inability to catch a ball, running game has been mostly neutered, oline can't create a decent pocket for Mariota to pass out of, and Mariota... as a result... has either been or looked indecisive.

 

It isn't any one thing. And they said this would take time. Our fan expectations, as they typically are, were way off base and full of hope and hype due to the fact LaFleur came from the Rams. And it doesn't matter how many times this shit gets explained... instant fan reaction is always going to drown out logic and calm. Not to mention the shit stirring trolls around here who get off on watching people go off.

Am I regressing?   What position am I supposedly going back to?  

 

The rest I agree with but the thing is this.  This staff inherited a talented, playoff winning team and we were told from the beginning that they were brought in to improve everything, especially on offense.  Expectations were set high and so they've been high and now that they've been just as bad if not worse, especially on offense, this staff definitely deserves criticism.  

 

A lot of it is players and talent levels across the board and maybe this team just wasn't as good as many fans wanted to believe but that doesn't excuse some of the things we've seen from the Titans this year.  

 

 

[NashvilleNinja]

1 minute ago, Justafan said:

Am I regressing?   What position am I supposedly going back to?  

 

The rest I agree with but the thing is this.  This staff inherited a talented, playoff winning team and we were told from the beginning that they were brought in to improve everything, especially on offense.  Expectations were set high and so they've been high and now that they've been just as bad if not worse, especially on offense, this staff definitely deserves criticism.  

 

A lot of it is players and talent levels across the board and maybe this team just wasn't as good as many fans wanted to believe but that doesn't excuse some of the things we've seen from the Titans this year. 

What were they going to do otherwise? Come out and say "we're changing the staff so expectations shouldn't be raised because we're probably going to be about the same or worse next year."? They're trying to sell tickets beforehand in a tourist town as much as they're trying to build a football team.

 

Obviously they expect to be better than they have been. And no one is saying they don't deserve criticism. But they've played just under half of the season's games. The disappointment has overshadowed the expectations but it doesn't fit everything we've seen. The only games that actually deserved all the gnashing of teeth were the Buffalo and Baltimore games, and of those two only the Baltimore game is the one we had no shot of winning. The Miami game was an opening day gut punch just because it took half the god damn day to finish and because Mariota got injured yet again. But the Houston, Jacksonville, Philly, and LAC games were all competitive and we came out of those games 3-1 in spite of all the adversity and inconsistent/poor play on offense, and almost came out of those games 4-0. 

 

The glass half-empty shit needs to cease and desist for a while. As bad as things have been, they haven't been as bad as they've seemed. They're 3-4 and a properly executed 2 point attempt away from 4-3. Not 1-6 and headed for at least a top 10 pick. There are reasons to be optimistic as much as there are pessimistic if people would just pull heads from asses.

[Justafan]

4 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said:

What were they going to do otherwise? Come out and say "we're changing the staff so expectations shouldn't be raised because we're probably going to be about the same or worse next year."? They're trying to sell tickets beforehand in a tourist town as much as they're trying to build a football team.

 

Obviously they expect to be better than they have been. And no one is saying they don't deserve criticism. But they've played just under half of the season's games. The disappointment has overshadowed the expectations but it doesn't fit everything we've seen. The only games that actually deserved all the gnashing of teeth were the Buffalo and Baltimore games, and of those two only the Baltimore game is the one we had no shot of winning. The Miami game was an opening day gut punch just because it took half the god damn day to finish and because Mariota got injured yet again. But the Houston, Jacksonville, Philly, and LAC games were all competitive and we came out of those games 3-1 in spite of all the adversity and inconsistent/poor play on offense, and almost came out of those games 4-0. 

 

The glass half-empty shit needs to cease and desist for a while. As bad as things have been, they haven't been as bad as they've seemed. They're 3-4 and a properly executed 2 point attempt away from 4-3. Not 1-6 and headed for at least a top 10 pick. There are reasons to be optimistic as much as there are pessimistic if people would just pull heads from asses.

Just because I said the coaching staff deserves criticism for being ranked 31 out of 32 offenses in the league and several PLAYERS having individual production greater than the entire offense doesn't equal the hyperbole you're expressing frustration with.

 

I get where you're coming from and I'm not saying lets scrap this thing.  I've actually said to give them until the end of next season to get this thing going.  The do deserve criticism though, as you said, and I am simply surprised that (especially Lafluer) has not gotten more of it.

[NashvilleNinja]

1 minute ago, Justafan said:

They do deserve criticism though, as you said, and I am simply surprised that (especially Lafluer) has not gotten more of it.

If the offense plays out the rest of the season the way it has the first 7 games then rest assured that the criticism will be loud and clear, whether it's deserved or not.

[nine]

It's WAAAAY to early to talk about giving up on younger players.....especially second-year guys who were mid-round selections just last year.    No matter how badly we might wish otherwise....a lot of guys simply aren't ready for a prime-time role after only one year.   They're just not there yet.

 

Maybe Taywan Taylor and Jonnu Smith will be ready ready for prime time in year three....maybe they won't.  All we know is, they were given an opportunity to prove themselves this year but were too inconsistent and made too many mistakes;  they have yet to show that they can be depended on.

 

So now you cut back on their snaps and back them down a bit....remove a bit of the pressure on them to produce, and let them continue to develop.   If they want more playing time on Sundays, they'll have to earn it in practice.

 

And hopefully next year they're better prepared for the next step.

 

[OILERMAN]

4 minutes ago, nine said:

It's WAAAAY to early to talk about giving up on younger players.....

Giving up on them? Hell it's time to start maximizing their talent!

[tgo]

11 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

Giving up on them? Hell it's time to start maximizing their talent!

The Hall of Fame quality personnel on the team is just waiting to be unleashed - just need to find a coaching staff that can get it done! 

[BudsOilers]

It's too early to give up on the young guys IMO.  The reality is that we need to let 2018 play out and see who steps up and who doesn't.  I'm pessimistic that they win the division but it is doable if they win the divisional games and Houston loses a couple of road games too.