Starkiller Posted June 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 24 minutes ago, oldschool said: Its crazy that some of you can't understand why Justafan, someone who gave 20 years of his life to the military, would feel the way he does. it doesn't make him wrong. In fact imposing your political beliefs and\or your feelings about the Military Industrial complex on others is the same thing as telling the players they are wrong and should shut up and play. It’s not a question of understanding why someone in the military might object. I think it’s more a question of what people in the military think they are fighting to protect, a symbol of their country (an anthem or a flag) or the rights that the country supposedly gives to its citizens that makes it a free country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Starkiller said: It’s not a question of understanding why someone in the military might object. I think it’s more a question of what people in the military think they are fighting to protect, a symbol of their country (an anthem or a flag) or the rights that the country supposedly gives to its citizens that makes it a free country. Right. Justafan already said he agrees with the right to express themselves by protesting during the anthem but that he doesn't like it. He's being told he shouldn't have an issue with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 51 minutes ago, CreepingDeath said: Wait. Hypothetical here. Bad guys have a crate if US flags and an army. You and whoever you want to include (friends, family, other soldiers) see this. An attack guarantees the flags are safe but the good guys suffer 10% casualties. Do you take the losses to protect the box of cloth? Spoiler: there are more crates of sacred cloth down the street. Silly hypothetical. Huge logical fallacies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, oldschool said: Right. Justafan already said he agrees with the right to express themselves by protesting during the anthem but that he doesn't like it. He doesn't stop there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: He doesn't stop there. No, that’s pretty much what I was getting at and I was very clear about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepingDeath Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 hour ago, titanruss said: I’ve got a better one for you. One that’s not so stupid nor makes no sense. Everyone! Go steal all of @CreepingDeath and @Jamalisms money! It’s cool! I promise! Money has no real value anyway!! Its a social construct, just assigned value by certain people and forced upon others. It has meaning to some but not based on any true tangible tradable good. It’s like ... it’s a symbol. Since symbols aren’t real and mean different things (or nothing... or everything) to different people, then it’s preposterous for them to get angry or do anything about it. What MORONS they would be to care! Haha... fools. Rob em blind and take their pointless money!!! Oooh score!! You got me! Stealing money is the same as getting pissed off at others in how they react to a symbol that has zero bearing on other people. Totally the same exact thing! I feel enlightened now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepingDeath Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 46 minutes ago, Justafan said: Silly hypothetical. Huge logical fallacies. But Russ’s was perfect for you to “double like”? Got it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 23 minutes ago, CreepingDeath said: But Russ’s was perfect for you to “double like”? Got it. Yes. It actually related, where yours presented a false equivalency and made little logical sense in my opinion. Of course, I’m only speaking from my personal point of view. I’m sure it made sense to you and would have preferred no more insults. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBukafax Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Justafan said: Yes. It actually related, where yours presented a false equivalency and made little logical sense in my opinion. Of course, I’m only speaking from my personal point of view. I’m sure it made sense to you and would have preferred no more insults. Logic has no personal point of view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamlngEnvy Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 2 hours ago, oldschool said: Its crazy that some of you can't understand why Justafan, someone who gave 20 years of his life to the military, would feel the way he does. it doesn't make him wrong. In fact imposing your political beliefs and\or your feelings about the Military Industrial complex on others is the same thing as telling the players they are wrong and should shut up and play. He’s wrong by just saying the protests were a slap in the face of authority really stupid way to put it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 36 minutes ago, TheBukafax said: Logic has no personal point of view. That's completely not true. Logic is different depending on the person's point of view using it. Aristotle's logic is much different than say Milton or Niche. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at but if it is that there is only 1 set standard of logic and how it is applied and interpreted by the individual doesn't matter, then I would say you are out of your depth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, 52O said: He’s wrong by just saying the protests were a slap in the face of authority really stupid way to put it How would you have preferred I put it? I felt it was a slap in the face to me and many of the people I served with. Are you suggesting I have no right to feel the way I do? I mean, is that really your argument? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamlngEnvy Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Justafan said: How would you have preferred I put it? I felt it was a slap in the face to me and many of the people I served with. Are you suggesting I have no right to feel the way I do? I mean, is that really your argument? Nah I just think maybe you should take it as what they were saying it was....are all the people buying popcorn or going to the bathroom or on their Facebook app during the anthem a slap to your face? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 minute ago, 52O said: Nah I just think maybe you should take it as what they were saying it was....are all the people buying popcorn or going to the bathroom or on their Facebook app during the anthem a slap to your face? It's disrespectful for sure but you and I both know it isn't the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamlngEnvy Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Just now, Justafan said: It's disrespectful for sure but you and I both know it isn't the same thing. Yea one set of people are trying to raise awareness to a cause they are passionate about and others are...getting snacks... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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