Jamalisms Posted May 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 5 hours ago, Mythos27 said: Some of you are completely missing the issue. Merkel isn't saying that they won't rely on the U.S. because Donald is cutting off the gravy train. That is simply what you guys are choosing to believe because it's what Trump has told you to believe and it makes you feel good. What Merkel is saying is that Europe can no longer rely on the U.S. because it's being run by a fool who has no idea what he is doing and changes his mind as often as he tweets. It's literally impossible to count on someone like that and after decades of being the standard bearers for the world, this is how our allies are beginning to see us. When you hear that many countries don't even trust us with intelligence any more, that should concern everyone. In short, Europe can't rely on America in the same way the son of an alcoholic can't rely on his father to pick him up from baseball practice. It's not that his dad is shrewdly saving money on gas, it's that the kid knows that come pick up time, dad'll be 16 beers deep and will have no fucking clue what's going on. Spot on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WG53 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 On 5/30/2017 at 9:59 AM, Soxcat said: Nobody gave a rats shit about Russia when the libs were under funding the military and exclaiming how the Russians are no longer a threat but now the libs are worried the Russians are the next Nazi Germany? Really? Under funding the military? Goddamn you are one stupid motherfucker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Just now, Soxcat said: These other countries and leaders have no idea how Trump will react when called on. All they see are their bank accounts not being refreshed by the good ol USA. Don't rely on us anymore than we rely on you. How reliable have many of these other countries been to us? Not the context here: Since when are we the world's daddy having to pick up little Merkel or whoever. Granted these are like brat little kids that whine everytime they don't get their way and over estimate their importance. Maybe it is time they grew up. Learn to drive the damn car yourself and stop waiting to be picked up all the time. . Sox, there is no scenario in which your closest allies feeling like they can't count on you is a positive. This isn't just monetarily speaking. You can deny it all you want but Trump being viewed as a joke internationally hurts American influence across the world. The international community sees him as incompetent and thus can't count on him. Europe can pay for their own defense. They might not like getting less help from us but they'll figure it out.Trump has been talking about reducing Europe's dependence on us for a long time now and no statement like Merkel's was made until recently. All that has changed is that Trump has shown himself to be an even bigger moron than we initially thought. We have a man in office who can't even keep sensitive intel secret and will brag about it to anyone that will listen.Is it really a shock that our allies will now trust and rely on us less? I don't see how you can't see the correlation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mythos27 Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 5 hours ago, Soxcat said: What I am saying is that this is a knee jerk reaction without much basis. Of course they are pissed they have to dig into their own pockets more. Doesn't mean Trump is totally alienating them either. Like a kid who is told to get his ass out, get a job and grow up. His first reaction is to hate his parents. Sox, please consider the possibility that this is not about the money. The international community has gotten a real good look at Trump for the last 6 months and have concluded that his incompetence as commander in chief makes it hard for them to really count on him as a reliable ally. There is nothing knee-jerk about evaluating someone for 6 months and concluding that they just can't rely on this guy. You can disagree with their conclusion but the fact is that this is how he is seen by most of the modern world and even if it's an incorrect perception, perception easily becomes reality. This isn't about Trump refusing to pony up the costs, it's about them not trusting him to actually make competent decisions. Just going by the people he has chosen to surround himself with it's apparent he has terrible judgement. Again, consider that this isn't all about money for at least one minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Besides, what money? Trump wants to spend more on the military Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OzTitan Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 13 hours ago, Soxcat said: What I am saying is that this is a knee jerk reaction without much basis. Of course they are pissed they have to dig into their own pockets more. Doesn't mean Trump is totally alienating them either. Like a kid who is told to get his ass out, get a job and grow up. His first reaction is to hate his parents. I think there is a disconnect between what people hope and would have liked Trump's actions to have spurred, and what actually happened. I don't think international relations with allies works like folksy lemonade stand analogies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 2 hours ago, OzTitan said: I think there is a disconnect between what people hope and would have liked Trump's actions to have spurred, and what actually happened. I don't think international relations with allies works like folksy lemonade stand analogies. It's par for the course with Republicans though. Deep down, they really believe you should be able to be a self-centered, incompetent, unrepentant asshole and those around you should just "get over it" and still be in your corner no matter what. Instead of questioning their own actions, they question the "loyalty" and motivations of the other party. It's never their fault. They don't get that when it becomes obvious that you're only in it for yourself, others start to protect their own interests even if it's at your expense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Soxcat said: Par for the course for Republicans? Trump isn't even a real Republican. Trump is Trump. So you are generalizing (which is stupid to begin with) and secondly, stop thinking the world is coming to an end with these knee jerk reactions. Just because some on the right aren't freaking out like the left doesn't mean everyone is like the libs. The libtards are the ones who walk in goose step together along with the media. On top of that how are the Republicsn "loyal" to Trump. See, this gets to sounding more idiotic by the minute. Sorry bud, for 8 years you guys did exactly what you blame liberals. According to Little Earl, Republicans are very happy with Trump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 The Republican POTUS is not Republican. Lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Earl Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Rogue said: Sorry bud, for 8 years you guys did exactly what you blame liberals. According to Little Earl, Republicans are very happy with Trump. I said they were happy with his international trip. Very happy with his Supreme Court pick. He's done other good things, mixed in with some not so good. Newest news is the private sector has added 253,000 jobs in May, far surpassing expectations. Even you have to admit that that is a good thing from Trump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Soxcat said: Again, too much generalization and I assume it comes from a lib way fo thinking and the goose step mentality. Being happy with soneone doesn't mean all Republicans like Trump or everything he does. Yes, for 8 years while Obama was president libtards liked how he wiped his ass, his leadership, his handling of Iran and so forth. The guy was perfect. Then when Hillary ran it was the same goosestep BS. She had shit on her face but hey, she is our candidate, the smartest woman on earth (never mind she can't even understand why you don't use a private server for confidential information). Well, how did that work out? There were enough moderates and people fed up with politics as usual. Now, this effort to paint Trump as a "Republican" and we all think the same is crap. So you complain about me generalizing republicans and then go on to generalize liberals. Reconcile that please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Little Earl said: I said they were happy with his international trip. Very happy with his Supreme Court pick. He's done other good things, mixed in with some not so good. Newest news is the private sector has added 253,000 jobs in May, far surpassing expectations. Even you have to admit that that is a good thing from Trump. Just a few weeks ago you said Republicans were very happy with Trump so far. You posted polls shows 80-90% approval among Republicans. Adding jobs is a good thing. I am REAL curious though, are the real jobs or fake jobs? Because our right wing friends called Obama's job creation fake. https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth Several months of 250k + jobs. Do you give Obama credit for those like you are giving Trump? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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