Jamalisms Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 41 minutes ago, Cornrow Wallace said: I have some interest in Smallwood...but I already have both him and Rob Kelley in another dynasty league and I'm afraid of making my rosters so similar. Don't be afraid. I'll take your entire draft next year for Smallwood! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Is @oldschool on the clock? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Still reading and liking posts, I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Gurley could definitely turn it around with a real coach, but the degree of turnaround tweeted is pretty staggering, actually. I don't think most people realize how bad he's been. I'll post more on it in a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Here are my thoughts on the Gurley trade. I have been trying to get Jamal to trade Gurley to me for about a year, maybe longer. His asking price was always too high. I had opportunities to acquire Gurley but was never willing to pay the price being asked. We had a deal on the table a few days ago that was similar to the deal 9_Nines and I made for Gordon. I turned it down because I thought the price was still a little too high and I decided I wanted Gordon over Gurley because I think Gordon has a higher floor and is the safer guy to own. So from a value standpoint, at least from my perspective, the trade Jamal made with Guru is just fine. If someone was willing to pay more they should have made a better offer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, abenjami said: Here are my thoughts on the Gurley trade. I have been trying to get Jamal to trade Gurley to me for about a year, maybe longer. His asking price was always too high. I had opportunities to acquire Gurley but was never willing to pay the price being asked. We had a deal on the table a few days ago that was similar to the deal 9_Nines and I made for Gordon. I turned it down because I thought the price was still a little too high and I decided I wanted Gordon over Gurley because I think Gordon has a higher floor and is the safer guy to own. So from a value standpoint, at least from my perspective, the trade Jamal made with Guru is just fine. If someone was willing to pay more they should have made a better offer. What I find interesting though is that the trade you had open with him (two picks + McCoy) at least seems significantly higher than this trade. It definitely feels like a "fuck it" trade to me. I think when you sit down and look at the names involved, not the picks--a lot of these seem pretty imbalanced in terms of value because for as many guys like David Johnson that hit, there are 2 or 3 that don't. I agree with the "if someone was willing to pay more they should have made a better offer" point. I don't really believe in vetoing in a league like this unless it's obvious collusion.Truthfully though, it's the NFL and you never really know. Ju-Ju could be a stud and Todd Gurley could end up being Trent Richardson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bink said: What I find interesting though is that the trade you had open with him (two picks + McCoy) at least seems significantly higher than this trade. It definitely feels like a "fuck it" trade to me. I think when you sit down and look at the names involved, not the picks--a lot of these seem pretty imbalanced in terms of value because for as many guys like David Johnson that hit, there are 2 or 3 that don't. I agree with the "if someone was willing to pay more they should have made a better offer" point. I don't really believe in vetoing in a league like this unless it's obvious collusion.Truthfully though, it's the NFL and you never really know. Ju-Ju could be a stud and Todd Gurley could end up being Trent Richardson. If you look at the trade for this upcoming season only, yeah the deal Jamal and I talked about was a much better offer. McCoy was one of the top RB's last season and historically has been better than Gurley. If I had to bet money on who would score more fantasy points this season, I would take McCoy over Gurley. But McCoy is about to turn 29 years old and he's been injury prone throughout his career. He's got value to a team who is trying to win now but if a team is looking to rebuild, he's the exact type of guy you don't want to trade for because he'll be in his 30's soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Jamalisms said: Still reading and liking posts, I guess. working now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 25 minutes ago, abenjami said: If you look at the trade for this upcoming season only, yeah the deal Jamal and I talked about was a much better offer. McCoy was one of the top RB's last season and historically has been better than Gurley. If I had to bet money on who would score more fantasy points this season, I would take McCoy over Gurley. But McCoy is about to turn 29 years old and he's been injury prone throughout his career. He's got value to a team who is trying to win now but if a team is looking to rebuild, he's the exact type of guy you don't want to trade for because he'll be in his 30's soon. True, but I think the rookie draft in a dynasty league poses significant risk. You may be building for long term, yes, but the two players that are the center piece of these trades are extremely young guys who have the make up of franchise RBs. If you look at Gurely, he had one season good enough to make him the #1 overall asset in FF, followed by one where he struggled. It seems pretty risky to dump him for the Alvin Kamara's of the world, a guy who might end up being Chris Thompson. If you are truly trying to rebuild, isn't Gurely the kind of guy you want to hang onto? Or wouldn't you want to swing him for more clear cut young talent than middle of the pack RBs? Hell, I would probably have given up my whole draft for Gurley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 56 minutes ago, abenjami said: If you look at the trade for this upcoming season only, yeah the deal Jamal and I talked about was a much better offer. McCoy was one of the top RB's last season and historically has been better than Gurley. If I had to bet money on who would score more fantasy points this season, I would take McCoy over Gurley. But McCoy is about to turn 29 years old and he's been injury prone throughout his career. He's got value to a team who is trying to win now but if a team is looking to rebuild, he's the exact type of guy you don't want to trade for because he'll be in his 30's soon. And I don't think you'd have agreed to McCoy. You were thinking about it, but I figured you'd say no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 56 minutes ago, oldschool said: working now. Want to trade one or both of the picks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Bink said: If you look at Gurely, he had one season good enough to make him the #1 overall asset in FF... Yes and no. He had an absolutely shockingly dominant start to his rookie season. Four games back to back to back to back built crazy hype (legitimately). Since then he's been a well below-average fantasy asset and that goes back to most of his games as a rookie. His reputation survived after the rookie year because of projected health/growth and confidence that his first four games couldn't have been a mirage. Then last year happened. He was even worse last year than the other games his rookie year. I came to the conclusion that after 24 truly sub par games, the odds are far higher that he came back too soon from injury and was overworked (thanks Fisher, you fuck!) and didn't have the elite ability anymore... than that he will emerge from this shell as the guy I'd hoped he was. And I could definitely be wrong about that ... at least he has a real coach now ... but it's a bigger comeback needed than most people realize, imo. After those first four games, he averages 59 yards rushing and 3.4 ypc (over 24 games, so it's a long trend). In those 24 games, he's gained 75 yards only 5x and hit 4.0 ypc or better 5x. He's only hit 100 yards rushing 1x. One damn time. In 24 games. AND he doesn't get many TDs because that's largely opportunity based and his team sucks. His only real evidenced value is as a PPR guy, and he got better there last year. But it's not enough to offset bad rushing totals with very few standout games. It's not like he had really good games and really bad games and they offset. He was truly just always a 40s-60s yardage guy. It's been consistent crap. It's really hard to fathom how he went from those first 4 games to the next 24, but he did. As a fantasy asset, he doesn't need to rebound. He needs a complete reinvention - a rebuild from the ground up. He has to consistently do better than almost anything he's done in the last 24 games in order to be a quality fantasy back. And it could definitely happen, but I think the odds are low. So I bailed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 And because of my opinion on Gurley, I didn't want to risk entering the year with him... which probably meant getting someone to trade during the draft while they were active and before complacency with rosters set in. After the fall through with Abenjami, I did largely decide I needed to take what I could. But I also used a few resources to try and balance out my determination to trade with getting fair value. Based on those resources, I got a generally even trade ... with assets I don't overly care for but who have a higher likelihood of being good than Gurley (<--- imo, low odds with beyond high payoff). It is what it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 On 5/16/2017 at 11:56 PM, abenjami said: Check out this dynasty draft I found. First 8 picks were identical to ours. Looking back, Juju is the biggest faller in our draft. I hope it pays off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 On 5/18/2017 at 8:45 AM, Jamalisms said: @CyrusI'm working my way through my roster and may add a few more to this drop list ... but you can drop RGIII and The Rawls Killer (Christine Michael). On 5/18/2017 at 4:49 PM, 9 Nines said: My team and Oldschool agreed to a trade. I trade: Doug Martin and Duke Johnson to him He trades: his 2nd round pick to me. On 5/19/2017 at 1:20 PM, Jamalisms said: @Cyrusdrop Kaepernick as well. I missed him on my first pass through. On 5/20/2017 at 3:08 PM, 9 Nines said: Trade: I trade away: Melvin Gordon and Denver defense to abenjami. abenjami gives me: his 1st (12th pick) and 2nd (13th pick) this year and his 1st pick next year (2018) and Pittsburgh defense. On 5/20/2017 at 4:21 PM, Jamalisms said: @Cyrus: I've traded pick 16 and 29 to @9 Ninesfor Ty Montgomery and pick 26. On 5/21/2017 at 10:19 PM, NashvilleNinja said: Two transactions to report. With the 18th pick, I'll take QB Patrick "My Homie" Mahomes. Also, @Cyrus and I agreed on trade terms. I will send him Eddie Lacy. In return I get the 20th pick in this draft. 22 hours ago, Jamalisms said: Trade: Guru gives me Kamara. 23, 25 and a first next year for Gurley. I'm tired of trying to decide what he's really worth and am ready to move on. With pick 23, I'll take Juju Smith-Schuster. @abenjami, you're up. @Cyrus- I think that's all the trades/transactions requested. If anyone notices their trade missing, speak up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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