Denali Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 He told his co-workers he sympathized with Islamic terrorists. He met with an Islamic terrorist while he was here in the US. He called 911 during the shooting and pledged allegiance to ISIS. His parents are from Afghanistan. He is a Muslim. Wake up. It's an act of Islamic terrorism. Stop spinning this into something else. There are those of us that are not fooled by these games of three card monte. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmeade- Posted June 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 For there to seemingly be so many atheists on this board, we have an awful lot of Islamic apologists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Denali said: He told his co-workers he sympathized with Islamic terrorists. He met with an Islamic terrorist while he was here in the US. He called 911 during the shooting and pledged allegiance to ISIS. Wake up. It's an act of Islamic terrorism. Stop spinning this into something else. There are those of us that are not fooled by these games of three card monte. Who has said it's not an act of Islamic terrorism? It kind of seems like you're fooling yourself into not being fooled by something that doesn't exist. Bravo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 9 minutes ago, Rogue said: Sure, it would be part of the news debate (as it is now), but those that are pointing to Islam right now would be saying, "this guy is clearly crazy" if it were a Christian that did this. Definitely, and they would be correct. But I understand the point you're getting across. Anyone who thinks the Islam side is being downplayed simply to go after guns apparently isn't reading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 Mariota is Muslim I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 26 minutes ago, Rogue said: Sure it's a fair question. That's not what they are suggesting. They are suggesting there is a media agenda trying to disguise it. That's simply not the case in any media I've seen. And suggesting the coming gun control debate is something that would be unusual is conspiracy theory stuff. For the first 3 hours or so of news coverage this morning, this was all about gun control and the evil of black rifles. The media jumped aboard the gun control train first, like they always do. Sorry if you slept in and missed it, but it was there. And now ISIS is claiming responsibility and praising one of their fighters for his righteous quest against the great satan and his homosexual minions. As soon as the imperial pooh-bah of the KKK gets on twitter/facebook etc. and starts praising one of theirs for this shit, and thanking Jesus for giving him the strength to act on his convictions, I'll condemn his worthless ass too. The same goes for the Westboro Whackos. Bent is bent, and I don't care who pulls this shit or the means they use to accomplish their atrocity of choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 6 minutes ago, Denali said: He told his co-workers he sympathized with Islamic terrorists. He met with an Islamic terrorist while he was here in the US. He called 911 during the shooting and pledged allegiance to ISIS. His parents are from Afghanistan. He is a Muslim. Wake up. It's an act of Islamic terrorism. Stop spinning this into something else. There are those of us that are not fooled by these games of three card monte. I haven't seen anyone not acknowledge the fact this guybwas a Muslim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denali Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 Just now, IsntLifeFunny said: I haven't seen anyone not acknowledge the fact this guybwas a Muslim. Trying to call him crazy as opposed to being an Islamic terrorist is a way of downplaying the existence and threat of stateside Islamic terrorism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 Just now, Denali said: Trying to call him crazy as opposed to being an Islamic terrorist is a way of downplaying the existence and threat of stateside Islamic terrorism. Was he not crazy? I mean, every article I've read has openly said he was Islamic. Who are these people you keep referring to that are pushing this narrative? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said: For the first 3 hours or so of news coverage this morning, this was all about gun control and the evil of black rifles. The media jumped aboard the gun control train first, like they always do. Sorry if you slept in and missed it, but it was there. And now ISIS is claiming responsibility and praising one of their fighters for his righteous quest against the great satan and his homosexual minions. As soon as the imperial pooh-bah of the KKK gets on twitter/facebook etc. and starts praising one of theirs for this shit, and thanking Jesus for giving him the strength to act on his convictions, I'll condemn his worthless ass too. The same goes for the Westboro Whackos. Bent is bent, and I don't care who pulls this shit or the means they use to accomplish their atrocity of choice. So they started on gun control before they knew of the ISIS connection and are now talking about the ISIS connection is evidence to you that there is an agenda at work to cover up the ISIS connection? Strange Duckie. Very strange Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 Odds are good that if he was publicly dedicating this attack to ISIS then he had no real connection to them other than he liked them. If he was a member, it probably wouldn't have just been him acting alone. It would have been multiple attackers like in Paris or Brussels. But presumably the FBI will look for any direct connection in his background. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 8 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said: As soon as the imperial pooh-bah of the KKK gets on twitter/facebook etc. and starts praising one of theirs for this shit, and thanking Jesus for giving him the strength to act on his convictions, I'll condemn his worthless ass too. The same goes for the Westboro Whackos. Bent is bent, and I don't care who pulls this shit or the means they use to accomplish their atrocity of choice. But you are not only condemning ISIS, you are condemning Islam. You would NOT be condemning Christianity if the KKK did something violent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denali Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 10 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Was he not crazy? I mean, every article I've read has openly said he was Islamic. Who are these people you keep referring to that are pushing this narrative? I have been watching CNN and someone raised the question as to whether he is simply crazy. But Marco Rubio was very direct and well spoken about the existence of stateside Islamic terrorism and the existing challenges in trying to combat it. It's scary. Yeah, I'm scared. And the news media is also trying to focus on whether he went abroad for ISIS training as an indicator as to whether he was truly an ISIS fighter. What kind of BS is that? Who says that ISIS fighters aren't being recruited and trained right here in the US? Why does it have to be abroad? They want to dismiss him as a lone sympathizer if he never traveled abroad to be trained? What a bunch of downplaying BS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 I read that in their propaganda ISIS tells people not to actually reach out and contact them. They're supposed to commit terror acts on their own while somehow publicly pledging to ISIS. This makes them much less likely to be caught. Since the surveillance state has become so sophisticated in recent years any type of contact discussing attacks, training has a higher shot of being caught. That's why these "lone wolf" attacks are working. It's just a next step by the terrorists in response the the counter terrorism effort. Radicalize people with internet propaganda so that you never have to directly created connections between known terrorists and these new people. If that's what happened here then "ISIS" likely had no idea this was happening. It was not centrally coordinated, which is what makes it so much harder to detect or stop. Of course it could have been a plan, but if so you'd think it would be part of a larger effort like the recent attacks in Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 19 minutes ago, Rogue said: But you are not only condemning ISIS, you are condemning Islam. You would NOT be condemning Christianity if the KKK did something violent. Nobody in a Christian church has ever told me that the country I live in is "The Great Satan." And the last I checked the Ku Klux Klan isn't primarily a religious organization. And before you claim that only ISIS says that, I heard it long before anyone ever heard of ISIS/ISIL/Al Qaeda etc. The Iranian students that took over the US embassy used that phrase extensively, as did the ayatollah khomeini, spiritual leader and guide to a significant number of Islamists and rather large sect of Islam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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