japan Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 18 minutes ago, Face said: Yeah he's really bumbling his way around this year. Nobody has done a better job than this guy. Doesn't mean he would be a good head coach. His last try at a head job was disastrous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
socaltitan Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Whiz was having a great year as OC in SD the year before he got hired here. Yes you want a guy who's having success as either OC or DC, but there's a lot more to a HC than that. It has to be someone who can manage people. GB hired Mike McCarthy and he was coming off a disaster of a season as OC in SF. That was Alex Smith's rookie year. Shula is doing a good job as OC this season. Doesn't mean he makes for a good HC as we saw with Whiz. Some guys are better suited to just be a coordinator. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 14 minutes ago, socaltitan said: Whiz was having a great year as OC in SD the year before he got hired here. Yes you want a guy who's having success as either OC or DC, but there's a lot more to a HC than that. It has to be someone who can manage people. GB hired Mike McCarthy and he was coming off a disaster of a season as OC in SF. That was Alex Smith's rookie year. Shula is doing a good job as OC this season. Doesn't mean he makes for a good HC as we saw with Whiz. Some guys are better suited to just be a coordinator. I agree. But that's the case with just about anybody we're going to interview. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 19 minutes ago, japan said: Doesn't mean he would be a good head coach. His last try at a head job was disastrous. I'm pretty sure Alabama had a bunch of sanctions at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jd8 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 2 hours ago, Face said: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/14/panthers-leading-the-league-in-scoring-of-course/ This article sums up the Panthers & it really is pretty incredible how good their offense is. They're averaging 32 points a game while running the ball 55% of the time, unheard of in this day & age. Cam is playing at a ridiculous level right now & is in complete control of the offense. As great as Cam has been, Shula is easily the assistant of the year, it's not even close. The interesting part is Shula is running an old school offense, tons of running & way more 3 man, max protect, downfield routes. I think BK actually pointed out that they run way more 3 man routes than anybody in the league. This is the old Al Davis/Raiders recipe, run it & go deep. Truth be told this isn't the ideal offense for Mariota, who aside from mobility really is the opposite type of QB as Cam is. He'd probably be better off in more of a spread, West Coast offense, but he's been making some impressive downfield throws lately & I think the deep drop backs & xtra blocking will allow him to take advantage of his mobility. Either way, this guy needs to be on our interview list. Yeah I love what Shula is doing and he is doing it with a trio of Cam/Ginn JR/Stewart....Greg Olsen is a very good TE but Shula gets the most out of whoever is on the field. Shula plays to his players strengths as well as anyone. I love his run first approach it sets up the deep passing game perfectly. His offense is Definitely not the most talented offense. Stewart is a solid back and Ginn has produced this year outside of the drops. But Quite a few teams have more talented offenses. Its not a Big Ben, Martavis, Wheaton, Brown, and Bell kind of offense. They don't have the talent teams like Cincy, The Steelers, etc have But his coaching and scheme has them playing like a top offense. He plays to his players strengths perfectly! I agree he has to be the assistant of the year! Could you imagine that offense now if they didn't lose Cams #1 weapon Kelvin Benjamin. Like you mentioned it really is a Anti Mariota scheme right now but Shula is a great coach I think with some personnel changes he could run an offense tailored around Mariota and be very successful with Mariota. I love Shula as a coach he could adapt having a QB with less arm strength then Cam but a good RB is key in his scheme. He will get a lot of interest as a HC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jd8 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 2 hours ago, Face said: It will probably be some guy that no one really expects or wants but the only guys I would consider coaching Mariota in his 2nd season and would 100% trust is... Jackson - Shula - Malzahn I think Kelly is an offensive genius and I think him and Mariota could be very successful with each other but I hate his personality and I think he is the exact opposite of a players coach. If there was someone who was the 100% exact opposite of Pete Carroll it would be Chip Kelly. I don't think he does very well coaching grown men because when coaching in the NFL you cannot treat it like a college atmosphere. You have to give to have the players respect you and if they do not like you and respect you that's how you get the "Has Chip lost the locker room in Philly" shit. From a personality view I think Whisenhunt and Kelly are similar and I hate that even though I think he's a brilliant offensive mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 50 minutes ago, hazzed said: It will probably be some guy that no one really expects or wants but the only guys I would consider coaching Mariota in his 2nd season and would 100% trust is... Jackson - Shula - Malzahn I think Kelly is an offensive genius and I think him and Mariota could be very successful with each other but I hate his personality and I think he is the exact opposite of a players coach. If there was someone who was the 100% exact opposite of Pete Carroll it would be Chip Kelly. I don't think he does very well coaching grown men because when coaching in the NFL you cannot treat it like a college atmosphere. You have to give to have the players respect you and if they do not like you and respect you that's how you get the "Has Chip lost the locker room in Philly" shit. From a personality view I think Whisenhunt and Kelly are similar and I hate that even though I think he's a brilliant offensive mind. There is just something going on with Whisenhunt, I've never seen a coach sound so intelligent yet have so much difficulty winning football games. The man just could not win. Yes, I'm sure he was incredible asshole, but so are many other successful coaches. I'm in the minority here but I'm a huge Chip Kelly fan. He took way too much criticism earlier in the year & has had a great last 2 weeks turning the season around after everybody felt the team gave up on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apocalypse33 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 6 minutes ago, Face said: There is just something going on with Whisenhunt, I've never seen a coach sound so intelligent yet have so much difficulty winning football games. The man just could not win. Yes, I'm sure he was incredible asshole, but so are many other successful coaches. I'm in the minority here but I'm a huge Chip Kelly fan. He took way too much criticism earlier in the year & has had a great last 2 weeks turning the season around after everybody felt the team gave up on him. nah chip kelly had a bad few game stretch after multiple years of success. He'll never be successful again. *Titans Report logic. But he for sure isn't leaving Philly. :( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 2 hours ago, socaltitan said: I think it'd be a waste of Mariota's talents to put him in a run heavy offense. I agree with the sentiment from guys like scine that a NE style passing attack is probably the best fit for Marcus. I agree with that too. Marcus strikes me as a rythm passer too and I dont want to hide him in a run heavy offense in the future. This kid doesnt need hidden. He needs the ball in his hands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 3 hours ago, reo said: Horrible choice for MM. The only plus is that they were willing and able to build an offense that matched what Cam does well and hides his weaknesses. But if you're thinking you want them to try the same offense w/ MM... horrible idea. Horrible. I actually agree. I love ground and pound but it's all about fit. Mariota needs a more west-coast style of offense. Having a ground -and-pound-to-throw-it-deep offense wouldn't take advantage of his strength: Quick release, short/intermediate throws, scrambling ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleEye Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 How about June Jones? I know he's available and he treats his players like men. Anyone digging some run and shoot? Warren Moon credits him and so do Jim Kelly. J/K! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Mariota doesn't have the build to be featured in the run game as much as Cam (which is why they have so much running success) and deep passing is his weakness. Porting over their scheme is the wrong approach for Mariota. He would thrive in an offense that features short passes, quick decisions. Look at all his success in the red zone for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 I want whatever offense will net me 32 points a game.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 33 minutes ago, Face said: I want whatever offense will net me 32 points a game.... Well it may not be Cam Newton's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jd8 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 2 hours ago, Face said: There is just something going on with Whisenhunt, I've never seen a coach sound so intelligent yet have so much difficulty winning football games. The man just could not win. Yes, I'm sure he was incredible asshole, but so are many other successful coaches. I'm in the minority here but I'm a huge Chip Kelly fan. He took way too much criticism earlier in the year & has had a great last 2 weeks turning the season around after everybody felt the team gave up on him. I love Kelly as a coach. He has one down year I don't even think you could call it a down year. They beat the best team in football and are tied in first place in the division. Chip Kelly is best offensive coach in the NFL. I couldn't imagine how explosive his offense would be if he had a really talented offense in his 3 years he's never had a good QB. I just find it concerning that he is so willing to trade good players away and let them walk. And all the stuff you hear behind the scenes and from his former players. As far as a coach he is one of the best from an offensive stand point I don't see how anyone could argue that with what he's done and what he's done it with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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