Rogue Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 lol, more confirmation that the guy who has captured the hearts and minds of conservative Republicans couldn't give two shits about religion: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-just-dodged-two-213618960.html And you know what, I bet his supporters accept this answer and just leave it alone. It is obvious as the day is long that Trump is a guy who is "Christian." because he grew up in America and his parents were Christian, nothing more. He doesn't spend one minute a week reflecting on religion. He has less support from the religious right than the Tea Party. Not by a great deal. I think his supporters either aren't as religious or aren't too concerned about electing religious leadership. His support, demographically, is interesting.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/10/is-donald-trumps-base-just-the-tea-party-reborn-not-exactly/ Much of his support is from the younger, less educated, and poorer segment of the GOP. There's overlap from moderates, tea party, and evangelicals, but it seems that is his core group. I think it is ironic as he is Donald Trump....old, educated, and rich. The only thing he has in common with them is he will say ridiculous things in public. We are witnessing the 3rd split of the GOP. The have managed to hobble together this coalition for a while, but it appears broken now. What is most interesting is it was broken by a guy that won't play by GOP rules, but has taken the GOP game to its extreme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanjuicy Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Who is the richest businessman in town? I am not sure who he is talking about, but I say Frist. Just my guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted August 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Much of his support is from the younger, less educated, and poorer segment of the GOP. Interesting about the less educated part. Trump def seems to have awakened the other side of the coin of the 1% folks from the Democratic party. There are a whole bunch of struggling, pissed off young people in this country right now. That's should be both parties' takeaway. Have a sleeping bear been kicked, or will they go back to sleep if the economy picks up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Who is the richest businessman in town? It's not Nashville and I'm not calling names because the conversation was private. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I am not sure who he is talking about, but I say Frist. Just my guess. Frist wouldn't support Trump. They would surely support Bush. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 He's fascinating to a lot of people. I had two guys bring up his name out of the blue to me today. One is a guy who installs drapes. He probably makes 40k/year. The other is the richest businessman in town. Probably grosses 40M a year. Both liked Trump. I've been experiencing the same thing, the guy has a ton of buzz right now. And it's not just from people who like him because he's a celebrity, it's a lot of smart, educated, well to do people. They're intrigued. Things are changing in this country, I can't put my finger on it but it seems like an awful lot of people from all different sectors are not happy with things right now. And it's not a republican/democrat thing. More than ever it seems like people are fed up with the whole system. Maybe it's just me but I feel like there's a lot of frustration & angst in the country, and as history has proven, there's no better time for an "outsider" to win than when people are scared and/or angry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denali Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 lol, more confirmation that the guy who has captured the hearts and minds of conservative Republicans couldn't give two shits about religion: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-just-dodged-two-213618960.html And you know what, I bet his supporters accept this answer and just leave it alone. It is obvious as the day is long that Trump is a guy who is "Christian." because he grew up in America and his parents were Christian, nothing more. He doesn't spend one minute a week reflecting on religion. I'm telling you, Democrats should hope he wins the nomination, not because he will be easy to beat (I realize folks disagree about that) but because it would guarantee a center to center-left President. Other than immigration, Trump is a centrist. He believes in abortion exceptions, he is irreligious (and most likely somewhat contemptuous of religious people), he supported Dems in the past, believes in reasonable regulatiosn on guns (even though he is backtracking now in the primaries), and otherwise is a Rockefeller/country club Republican at the very most. His only strong "conservative" view is on immigration. Trump demagogued immigrants to boost his poll numbers and make a name for himself, and it worked. I doubt he believes what he says about immigrants, and if you will notice, unless asked, you don't see him talking about it much anymore. Trump's response is what is called a "smart answer". He recognizes that he represents people of many religions, and wants it to stay that way.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted August 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I've been experiencing the same thing, the guy has a ton of buzz right now. And it's not just from people who like him because he's a celebrity, it's a lot of smart, educated, well to do people. They're intrigued. Things are changing in this country, I can't put my finger on it but it seems like an awful lot of people from all different sectors are not happy with things right now. And it's not a republican/democrat thing. More than ever it seems like people are fed up with the whole system. Maybe it's just me but I feel like there's a lot of frustration & angst in the country, and as history has proven, there's no better time for an "outsider" to win than when people are scared and/or angry. I largely agree with this. I am guarded in reading too much into it, because people have predicted similar "shifts" and "new paradigms" off and on for many years, and every year it is an establishment guy from one of the major parties that wins. But Obama himself is actually evidence of there being something different. Hillary was the "anointed candidate" in 2008, and while Obama didn't necessarily come out of nowhere, he was definitely not the establishment candidate. Once he caught fire folks got on board but he took a wrecking ball to the establishment plans. And then, of course, on the Republican side you have the Tea Party revolution. That one is interesting because it started as grass roots, then was co-opted and exploited by the establishment, and then the establishment sort of lost control of it a bit. Those dynamics are STILL playing themselves out to this day. And then the 1% on the liberal side, and then the 3-4 months there where both the most liberal and the most conservative in this country agreed on the out of control police state in this country and that it needed to be curtailed. That raised its head again after Ferguson. These are indeed interesting political times we live in. Certainly things are very shaken up compared to the norm in the two-party dominant era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted August 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Trump's response is what is called a "smart answer". He recognizes that he represents people of many religions, and wants it to stay that way.. lol Hook, line and sinker. And that's not necessarily a slight on you, Denali. Trump is good at what he does - I'll give him that. But if you think Trump gives a rats ass about Jesus or God or the Church in anything other than the most general sense, you are kidding yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I largely agree with this. I am guarded in reading too much into it, because people have predicted similar "shifts" and "new paradigms" off and on for many years, and every year it is an establishment guy from one of the major parties that wins. But Obama himself is actually evidence of there being something different. Hillary was the "anointed candidate" in 2008, and while Obama didn't necessarily come out of nowhere, he was definitely not the establishment candidate. Once he caught fire folks got on board but he took a wrecking ball to the establishment plans. And then, of course, on the Republican side you have the Tea Party revolution. That one is interesting because it started as grass roots, then was co-opted and exploited by the establishment, and then the establishment sort of lost control of it a bit. Those dynamics are STILL playing themselves out to this day. And then the 1% on the liberal side, and then the 3-4 months there where both the most liberal and the most conservative in this country agreed on the out of control police state in this country and that it needed to be curtailed. That raised its head again after Ferguson. These are indeed interesting political times we live in. Certainly things are very shaken up compared to the norm in the two-party dominant era. The last item you mentioned here is what's most interesting to me....the far left & the libertarians are making for strange bedfellows. They're finding a lot of common ground on the overreach of the NSA, the war on terror & foreign policy, mega corporations, the war on drugs, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denali Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 lol Hook, line and sinker. And that's not necessarily a slight on you, Denali. Trump is good at what he does - I'll give him that. But if you think Trump gives a rats ass about Jesus or God or the Church in anything other than the most general sense, you are kidding yourself. That might very well be what he believes for himself, but he still recognizes and accepts his responsibility to represent people of many religions, or even to represent people that don't follow any religion at all (perhaps like himself). No hook, line, and sinker there. Just someone that isn't afraid to openly represent people of various religious backgrounds. Yea, I like Trump. There, I said it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted August 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Man, if you thought the gloves were off before: http://theweek.com/speedreads/574174/trump-questions-why-lehman-brothers-paid-jeb-bush-13-million-year-noshow-job The short version is, Trump is attacking and questioning with raised eyebrows Jeb Bush's $1.3M per year "job" with Lehman Brothers where he was basically paid to do nothing. This. Is. AWESOME. Trump is hitting at the NUMBER ONE poison in politics today - the politicians and Wall Street being in absolute cahoots with each other. They all get more rich and powerful, pay lip service to us, and we get screwed. No party has a monopoly on this. I have no doubt Obama's "regulators" at federal agencies will, in short order, go on to work for the very corporations in the private sector they were supposed to be regulating, and for huge salaries. This revolving door between the private and public sector has gotten way out of hand. You can't be an effective policeman if you have dollar signs in your head like this. It's human nature. Of course no leaders in either party (other than Warren, but she is marginalized) because no one wants to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. They all have a gentlemans agreement not to touch this shit. lol - Trump is no gentleman. If he starts to blow the lid of shit like this he will cross from sideshow to hero in my book. Still wouldn't vote for him, but I want his voice to be heard loud and clear on this issue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Trump is saying some things I want to hear, and part of me wants to believe it, but I cannot find a way to believe him. I will say that if he were to win the nomination and he picked Carson to be VP I'd have to at least consider voting for him. Not that I'm 100% in the Carson camp, but I like him more than any other candidate so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Man, if you thought the gloves were off before: http://theweek.com/speedreads/574174/trump-questions-why-lehman-brothers-paid-jeb-bush-13-million-year-noshow-job The short version is, Trump is attacking and questioning with raised eyebrows Jeb Bush's $1.3M per year "job" with Lehman Brothers where he was basically paid to do nothing. This. Is. AWESOME. Trump is hitting at the NUMBER ONE poison in politics today - the politicians and Wall Street being in absolute cahoots with each other. They all get more rich and powerful, pay lip service to us, and we get screwed. ouch. That's a real attack. Reminds me of Newt back in 2012 claiming he was being paid as a "historian" by Freddie Mac. That hurt him pretty badly in GOP circles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calico Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Man, if you thought the gloves were off before: http://theweek.com/speedreads/574174/trump-questions-why-lehman-brothers-paid-jeb-bush-13-million-year-noshow-job The short version is, Trump is attacking and questioning with raised eyebrows Jeb Bush's $1.3M per year "job" with Lehman Brothers where he was basically paid to do nothing. This. Is. AWESOME. Trump is hitting at the NUMBER ONE poison in politics today - the politicians and Wall Street being in absolute cahoots with each other. They all get more rich and powerful, pay lip service to us, and we get screwed. No party has a monopoly on this. I have no doubt Obama's "regulators" at federal agencies will, in short order, go on to work for the very corporations in the private sector they were supposed to be regulating, and for huge salaries. This revolving door between the private and public sector has gotten way out of hand. You can't be an effective policeman if you have dollar signs in your head like this. It's human nature. Of course no leaders in either party (other than Warren, but she is marginalized) because no one wants to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. They all have a gentlemans agreement not to touch this shit. lol - Trump is no gentleman. If he starts to blow the lid of shit like this he will cross from sideshow to hero in my book. Still wouldn't vote for him, but I want his voice to be heard loud and clear on this issue I am starting to hope he starts losing in polls just for a bit because I bet he leaks so much dirt on all these guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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