TitanedUpSince'70 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I'm much more concerned that Mettenberger's accuracy is going to end up being "good" instead of "very good" or "great" than I am with his immobility. I'm with ya there also. Need to see him improve that when the blitz comes, and he is hurried. Seems to do ok when he has time. And that stuff the Ravens were saying about, "We know where he is gonna be back there in the pocket." Sure you do, but then he takes 2 steps up and that takes care of that, and then he can fire the ball downfield, or even run from there if he has to. I hope to see him develop into a cross between the bigger sized QB's like Roethlisberger and Brady. Drops back, then steps up if need be, and fires it away. Sometimes after stepping up and it's not there, throw it away or run it like Brady and Roeth for a few yards, and then slide his ass off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaOiler Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Dilfer is OK most of the time but he does have too high an opinion of his own analysis and acts like he's some kind of guru. He said Sanchez was the best of the young QBs a few years back and really doesn't know any more than anyone else. Pot, meet kettle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Iowa you've turned yourself into a human punching bag, all it took was for people to start paying attention to your gibberish rants Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaOiler Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Maybe one day people will start paying attention to your fact-less 'analysis,' and call it for what it is....total bullshit. As for my gibberish rants, I would love to see an example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I think Dilfer can sound pretty sharp too. But this was also his rankings prior to the draft so.......http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1920362-nfl-draft-2014-ranking-and-analysis-of-top-qb-prospects. lol Tajh Boyd over Mettenberger? wow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidTNTitansFan Posted November 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 lol Tajh Boyd over Mettenberger? wow. Yep. Dilfer ranked them like this. 1. Manziel 2. Bridgewater 3. Bortles 4. Carr 5. Fales 6. Boyd It's early, but doesn't seem to good so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Maybe one day people will start paying attention to your fact-less 'analysis,' and call it for what it is....total bullshit. As for my gibberish rants, I would love to see an example. If you're going to rip on Oilerman for not posting facts, at least post the facts that he hasn't posted. Not made up stuff like you tried to give us two weeks ago, none of which Oilerman ever said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I read Dilfer first and will go back an read Cosell. I thought Dilfer said some insightful things. He said Mett wasn't first in building and last to leave in college. He has changed. Is he the guy who is going to keep that work ethic up year round? I hope and think he will. He has a big desire to win. Can he get Hunter and Wright to buy in to put in the extra work this offseason? I think taking full blame after MNF loss was a start to his leadership. I don't know if Brady was a savant in college. Peyton was. Whiz has skin in this game too and he will be working with Mett. Dilfer is right. Mett is going to be on a spot and everybody knows where that is. We all already know he is going to have to get the ball out quicker. I think he has it in him to get that speed even faster in the next year or two. IF he is willing to put in all the work. He seems to show more anticipation in preseason than he has so far in the regular season. He's a smart kid and he has a chance. But let's not kid ourselves and dismiss what Dilfer is saying. Mett is going to have to use his smarts to make up for his lack of mobility. He's also going to need protection and be surrounded by smart players. Manning, Brady, Mettenberger. These are the names Dilfer was using to base his argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 It's way, way early and he is already showing potential to be a starter in the NFL. Dilfer has moved the discussion to whether Mett is going to be the Titans' Luck. Is Mett going to elevate the level of play of the offense. If he continues at his current pace, the running lanes are going to open up. What we need to see is Mett shove the dagger in teams by making clutch throws at the end of games that finish teams off. The throw at the end of the first half was one of those throws. But we had the ball in the second half and did not have the magic to move the chains. I don't think Manning was doing that his rookie season either. Players like Wilson take off when there is nothing there and move the chains the keep drives going. We love Mett, but he has to do that with his arm. He has to throw people open. He made a couple of those type passes to Hunter in preseason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMJ Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Iowa challenged Oman and Oman fled Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaOiler Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 If you're going to rip on Oilerman for not posting facts, at least post the facts that he hasn't posted. Not made up stuff like you tried to give us two weeks ago, none of which Oilerman ever said. What? I am continuously posting facts and sources to support what I say. The list I made of the shit OMs been wrong about was true, and the two items that he contended, I quoted. I know it is fun to see multiple people come after me, since I have embarrassed you so handily in the Brady/Manning debate; but stick to the children's table, kiddo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 What? I am continuously posting facts and sources to support what I say. The list I made of the shit OMs been wrong about was true, and the two items that he contended, I quoted. I know it is fun to see multiple people come after me, since I have embarrassed you so handily in the Brady/Manning debate; but stick to the children's table, kiddo. Except what you quoted was not what you said Oilerman said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I really enjoy watching the Dilfer Dimes segment. Very cool to see all of the truly great passes thrown by NFL QB's on Sunday. The major beef I have with Dilfer's analysis is his theory that a pocket passing QB is "one dimensional" if his game isn't complemented by good mobility. To me, this is akin to saying Earl Campbell was "one dimensional" because he was a great runner but had poor hands as a pass catcher. I would argue that 75-80% of a QB's success comes from his ability to pass from the pocket. So if you master pocket passing, I believe you are going to be a very good NFL QB even if your pocket mobility is so-so. That "one dimension" he is talking about IMO far and away the most important dimension. How mobile were guys like Fouts and Marino or Aikman? Dilfer's analysis also seems to dismiss the idea that the Titans can counter a defense's gameplan to attack Mettenberger's limited mobility by simply max-protecting more often and not sending as many WR's into passing patterns. This is what teams do when they have QB's who don't move too well. And, at that point, if the QB is sound at reading defenses and is accurate and has a good arm, it becomes pretty hard for a defense to shut that QB down. I don't believe you have to be a savant to overcome limited mobility. Would any of us be disappointed if Mettenberger had a career like Carson Palmer or Matt Ryan? Palmer and Ryan certainly aren't mobile and certainly aren't savants, but because they are very solid pocket passers with great passing fundamentals they are good QB's when healthy. I'm much more concerned that Mettenberger's accuracy is going to end up being "good" instead of "very good" or "great" than I am with his immobility. Agree 100%. It's like saying an outfielder who hits .320 & 40 HR's is "one dimensional". But it seems like guys really put a big emphasis on mobility now, more than ever. It's almost like guys like Mett are considered archaic. I disagree 100% with this. I worry about his accuracy a bit as well & I've been meaning to post this, it's a much bigger concern than mobility. He's been off on quite a few passes but he's only played 3 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLocker10 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Would any of us be disappointed if Mettenberger had a career like Carson Palmer or Matt Ryan? I wouldn't be disappointed if he had longevity and regular season production like they've had. Both of them combined have only one playoff win though. I wouldn't want that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Mobility is a big thing and the statue QB is a thing of the past, as in those used to be the predominant QBs. The mobility of the QB is giving him more ops to make plays. What we need is a QB who is going to move the chains and raise the level of play of the rest of the team. Mett has looked great to us because we are starved to see a QB who could throw a ball that did not require superhuman abilities. He is being compared to the worse three year starter probably of all time. Mett has to win games with his arm. He has to throw passes that few NFL QBs can throw from the pocket to make up for his lack of mobility. Teams have to fear blitzing him because he will beat them for big plays. He was throwing a much better ball in preseason that I expect to return as he gets more comfortable in the offense. Whiz has to have hot reads for him and players in the right spots to make plays. Luck had better talent in Indy, but that team had only won two games before he came. His first year they won eleven. He did not have a dynamic running game. He did have decent receivers, but that was not a great team. Luck made them better. Cam Newton, same thing. Cam threw for 4,000 yards and ran for 700 more his rookie season. Mett has to be special from the pocket to get in the vicinity of these young QBs. It's going to be fun watching this unfold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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