Guest Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 What is all this Bortles stuff? I have seen him play one game, against the Titans, and he was mostly horrid. His QBR is 70. He has a 2:1 Interception to TD ratio (10:5). He is 1-6 as a starter. Blake Bortles might end up going to the Hall of Fame. But I fail to see how this is such a great example of how great QB's can be right off the bat and how they don't need to develop! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 @Pragidealist. I guess it comes down to how you define success. Here a some young Qbs that I think had success early in their careers in the modern era Brady Rodgers Matt Ryan Andrew Luck Andy Dalton Cam Newton Kaepernick Big Ben Matthew Stafford(injuries aside) Jay Cutler Sam Bradford(injuries aside) Carson Palmer Russell Wilson Phillip Rivers Peyton Manning Joe Flacco Romo (didn't get reps until he started due to injury in his 3rd season) Nick Foles To me success doesn't mean that you look like an instant pro bowler but rather that you were able to show that you have what it takes to be a good QB. To me all the guys listed above showed early on in their careers that they might be something. In fact we didn't have to wait 4+ years for any of these guys to show that they would be pretty good players. Bingo. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 What you're missing CTF is the one thing Locker is missing: Accuracy. Four years in and he still struggles getting the ball to wide open players. That Cowboys game showed me enough where he was missing wide open receivers. He's not accurate. He'll have his moments, but he's not accurate. The big plays don't mask his accuracy enough. You can't make it in today's league completing just under 60 percent of your passes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 @oldschool, I agree that it's usually a weak argument which is why I smack it down every time they try to use it. However there are exceptions to everything and I just don't think anyone could have put up with what David Carr faced in Houston. In another situation he might have gone on to suck anyways but the way I see it, you never know. All those hits broke him mentally and physically. Dude saw ghosts everywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 What you're missing CTF is the one thing Locker is missing: Accuracy. Four years in and he still struggles getting the ball to wide open players. That Cowboys game showed me enough where he was missing wide open receivers. He's not accurate. He'll have his moments, but he's not accurate. The big plays don't mask his accuracy enough. You can't make it in today's league completing just under 60 percent of your passes. I don't miss it Big. I just think with continued development and continuity with a young receiver corps and, hopefully, being healthy, the completion % gets better. But you know, it;s not exactly true what you say about 60%. Donavan McNabb won a whole bunch of games and individual awards not doing that. Jake does have an X factor to his play like Donavan had and we saw that in the first half in Cleveland. We have seen locker be accurate and make good throws into tight spaces and we have seen him be erratic. In the end, I don;t know that Jake Locker can ever stay healthy and it;'s abad bet to bet on it. What you see me doing in these forums is just shooting down all the other stupid shit going around about the QB position and Jake. The one thing I have never liked about Jake physically is his height. I like them taller. We have seen alot of batted down balls and he doesn;t stand tall back there because he's not that tall. But I'm being pretty nitpick at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 @CanadianTitansFan. Do you think the Jaguars were better off with Chad Henne? Because that was their other option. Bortle has improved their QB situation and has shown a lot of poise and some arm talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 Do I think Chad Henne in 7 starts could throw 10 ints, 5TD's, go 1-6, and have a 70 QBR? This is the question you would like me to answer? Ok...yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 Correction: Bortles has only played 5 games this year so the 1-6 record isn't all his. Henne has played in 3. Henne's QBR for the year is 80. 3TD's 1 int. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 You guys are just as quick to crown guys as you are to dismiss guys. It's insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 @CanadianTitansFan. Do you think the Jaguars were better off with Chad Henne? Because that was their other option. Bortle has improved their QB situation and has shown a lot of poise and some arm talent. He just started. CTF only evaluates QB's potential once they've been in the league for 4 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 Correction: Bortles has only played 5 games this year so the 1-6 record isn't all his. Henne has played in 3. Henne's QBR for the year is 80. 3TD's 1 int. Which is 3 spots better than Jake Locker, at number 48. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 He just started. CTF only evaluates QB's potential once they've been in the league for 4 years. Well if you're so interested I'll give my opinion about anything even one game in. You just have to ask. Just be prepared for me to qualify it by saying, "well it's completely stupid to give any final judgement of any QB at this stage BUT..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 @Pragidealist. I guess it comes down to how you define success. Here a some young Qbs that I think had success early in their careers in the modern era Brady Rodgers Matt Ryan Andrew Luck Andy Dalton Cam Newton Kaepernick Big Ben Matthew Stafford(injuries aside) Jay Cutler Sam Bradford(injuries aside) Carson Palmer Russell Wilson Phillip Rivers Peyton Manning Joe Flacco Romo (didn't get reps until he started due to injury in his 3rd season) Nick Foles To me success doesn't mean that you look like an instant pro bowler but rather that you were able to show that you have what it takes to be a good QB. To me all the guys listed above showed early on in their careers that they might be something. In fact we didn't have to wait 4+ years for any of these guys to show that they would be pretty good players. You guys have a fucked up sense of success. It's not just about who had early success and who didn't. It's who had early success that continued to be good/improve and wasn't a mirage due to system or reliance on a running game. Dalton? Kaep? Stafford?? He missed half his first 2 seasons due to injury. Bradford? How's he doing now? Romo?? How the fuck can you put Romo on the list for early success when he didn't start until his 3rd year?? Cutler didn't start his rookie year and then struggled his 2nd year. And there are still questions about him. Far too early to know anything about Foles. Rodgers didn't start for 3 years either. And neither did Rivers b/c of Brees. Hell even Brady was behind Bledsoe to start and then relied heavily on the running game when he did. What. The. Fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 You guys are just as quick to crown guys as you are to dismiss guys. It's insane. Please. Who gave up on Locker in year one or even year 2? The vast majority of fans who want to move on from Locker didn't make that decision until this year. Stop fabricating shit to back up your like for Locker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamlngEnvy Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 You guys are just as quick to crown guys as you are to dismiss guys. It's insane. Another "always right" tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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