Pragidealist Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Umm I intended to agree with ctm Oops Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzTitan Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Agreed. Almost risk free and totally risk free are two different animals in the business sense. He's obviously being shown a great deal of faith for this season. Just not beyond I don't know if it's a great deal of faith for this season really. To me it seems like a new coaching staff who is willing to leave it a season before looking for their QB, with the potential there for the current guy to make that unnecessary. And I would argue the only reason they are willing to do this is because they didn't feel strongly enough about a rookie to do otherwise. So more a lack of options than a true show of faith (which seems like an oxymoron for a QB in the NFL when talking a 1 season timeline). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I don't know if it's a great deal of faith for this season really. To me it seems like a new coaching staff who is willing to leave it a season before looking for their QB, with the potential there for the current guy to make that unnecessary. And I would argue the only reason they are willing to do this is because they didn't feel strongly enough about a rookie to do otherwise. So more a lack of options than a true show of faith (which seems like an oxymoron for a QB in the NFL when talking a 1 season timeline). I disagree completely. If there was no faith then they bring in competition. They did the opposite. They could have kept Fitz, traded for a qb, or drafted one higher. Instead they have been crystal clear jake is the starter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzTitan Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I disagree completely. If there was no faith then they bring in competition. They did the opposite. They could have kept Fitz, traded for a qb, or drafted one higher. Instead they have been crystal clear jake is the starter Well I guess my point is faith for 1 season is an oxymoron, in that it is so far from the standard definition of what faith at QB means for an org that it doesn't really qualify as meaningful. An org showing faith at QB is by definition a multi year thing in the NFL. Leaving the position for a year, over an offseason where the new coaches were clearly not that impressed with the other options, is hardly "showing faith". And competition like Fitz is just as short term as 1 year with Locker effectively - it's doubtful to solve anything beyond the year. Even if Fitz won the starter job, at least Locker could pan out without it necessarily being a miraculous turn around, so the Titans would be better off with Locker anyway. But to be honest I'm not really sure why they don't feel the need to have a better backup given Locker's injury history. Perhaps their attitude is much like how I perceive a lot of Titans fans to be; it's Locker or nothing, and if it ends up being nothing, then that nothing will probably at least mean a decent draft pick. The coaches at least don't have much to lose with Locker in 2014 given it's not their guy, and that attitude is made easier when the alternatives weren't there to test their faith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted June 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I said the back-up situation is a joke but not much could have been done at the starting QB spot Means nothing. They can still resign him before FA starts iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I said it before the draft and I'll say it again. Jettisoning Fitz for Whitehurst was a sign the FO was willing to go into this season with Locker as the guy. Passing on QBs until the 6th is also a sign that they want Locker to put it altogether this year and prove he's worthy of being the long term starter. No matter how you feel about Locker, we all win if he turns out to be a franchise caliber QB under a new coaching staff that actually knows what its doing. I have my reservations about Locker but I hope he proves me wrong this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 People make facts up to suit their opinions. Some here just can;t believe the Titans have any faith and hope in Jake Locker and chalk it all up to politics and circumstance. It's too painful for them to believe they already haven't pretty much given up on him. It happens over and over again here. People just can't be honest with themselves. It's funny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Coaches focus on year to year. Gms multi year. No way current coaches are looking at this year at their red shirt year. Current coaches believe Locker gives them the best chance to win or he would have more competition. That's a great deal of faith - one year or not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I really don't see a plan that could have drastically improved the Titans starting QB spot. Now their back-up situation is truly a joke, I think Mettenberger is the ideal 3rd string developmental project. No way in hell would I have touched Manziel and the mid round guys are not any better than Mettenberger imo. You have to see for sure on Locker this season. You could have traded for Mallett or Cousins but they aren't guaranteed to be the answer or better than a healthy Locker long term. The Titans QB situation sucks but there weren't a lot of options. I agree with everything here except Manziel, I think he was worth the shot. I completely understand the opposing argument but I thought the kid's upside was just off the charts, of course his downside is as well but I was easily ready to take that risk. He's just such a natural at the position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted June 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I agree with everything here except Manziel, I think he was worth the shot. I completely understand the opposing argument but I thought the kid's upside was just off the charts, of course his downside is as well but I was easily ready to take that risk. He's just such a natural at the position. I'd pass on Manziel again if I had the chance http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/27/johnny-manziel-says-he-wont-be-changing/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I agree with everything here except Manziel, I think he was worth the shot. I completely understand the opposing argument but I thought the kid's upside was just off the charts, of course his downside is as well but I was easily ready to take that risk. He's just such a natural at the position. The kid is already acting like a total jackass Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I said it before the draft and I'll say it again. Jettisoning Fitz for Whitehurst was a sign the FO was willing to go into this season with Locker as the guy. Passing on QBs until the 6th is also a sign that they want Locker to put it altogether this year and prove he's worthy of being the long term starter. No matter how you feel about Locker, we all win if he turns out to be a franchise caliber QB under a new coaching staff that actually knows what its doing. I have my reservations about Locker but I hope he proves me wrong this year. This is the basic line of thought, but it all seems pretty clear to me. Jake gets one more shot to do it without pressure over his shoulder from Fitz or a high draft pick. Whitehurst is here to help teach the system - not much more. (I've brought sous chefs with me to do the same.... with them even knowing it might be a temp gig). If Lockers pans out and stays healthy, that pretty much means you're winning. You get Whitehurst one more season maybe, or not even that if Mett develops well. If Locker doesn't pan out and/or gets seriously hurt again, then you're ready to move onto your next QB. And by having CW as your backup, it's way more likely you're drafting high. We'll also probably end up in a position with a decent amount in the bank to pay IF a legit QB is on the market (doubtful). Though certainly not a 100 vs 0% situation, the FO must have felt that Jake offered the most right now vs anyone we'd be able to pick in the draft, and certainly vs the FA market. He's the kind of guy that if he works, he could work big and for a fairly long time. Can't say that about Schaub, Fitz, Vick or any other retread, much less full busts like Freeman, Gabbert, etc, that were available. A very worst case, bitter-in-the-mouth scenario: Locker just explodes and we're rocking until about week 15, ready to go into the playoffs as a high seed. Then the injury happens, and I'm talking another 6-9 month recovery one (from which he never really does). We fall apart with our backup QB situation and lose 1st round of playoffs as we squeak in, and also have poor draft position. On top of that, down the road with hindsight we find out that some QB we could have had this year turns out to be a perennial Pro Bowler. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Coaches focus on year to year. Gms multi year. No way current coaches are looking at this year at their red shirt year. Current coaches believe Locker gives them the best chance to win or he would have more competition. That's a great deal of faith - one year or not There was no potential competition, who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I think the Titans are so high on Jake Locker they tried over and over to get a long term deal done, offering him highest paid QB money, but Locker thinks he can get more in offseason (more than highest), and Titans were trying so hard to come up with more than highest everyone was involved and they forgot about 5th year option deadline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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