ZEPPELIN Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 For the following reasons: 1. He played like a top 5 corner so paying him Top 5 money for one year would not be overpaying. The tag amount for CBs should be about $11 million in 2014 btw. 2. We keep a proven playmaker. He really does make plays. It would be nice to have an actual playmaker instead of a guy who calls himself a playmaker but almost never makes any big plays.....everyone knows who this is. 3. Tagging him gives the team some leverage in negotiating a long-term deal that is reasonable. 4. We get another year to evaluate his performance and that of other possible replacements. 5. We solidify our CB tandem for another year. These guys are good. 6. McCourty will count $8 million against the cap in 2014, so paying $11 million one time is not a big leap. 7. Verner is very smart and has proven to be a high character guy. He is also now a Pro Bowler. 8. We have a good amount of cap space and can save $6 million alone by cutting out the source of the cancer. I have seen projections of us being $30 million under the cap if we make certain cuts. 9. If we spent $100 million on free agent deals last year, tagging Verner should not greatly limit our ability to make additional moves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle021 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Only way I tags Verner is to trade him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 They already know what they have in Verner. The problem isn't whether he can have another good season, it's his limitations and how they affect Horton's scheme. They won't tag Verner, and they shouldn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 They already know what they have in Verner. The problem isn't whether he can have another good season, it's his limitations and how they affect Horton's scheme. They won't tag Verner, and they shouldn't. I don't think they do know what they have which is the problem. I mean, they know what type of player he is, strengths & weaknesses, etc. But do they know how good he is? I'll rephrase that, we know he's good, but is he solid starter good or pro bowl good? Taking another year to find out may not be the worst idea & would help us this year. Not saying I'd like to do it, but food for thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 He's not 11M good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Suppose you tag Verner and miss out on signing one or two impact players on the front 7, then in 2015 Verner, Roos, Casey all have expiring deals. We'd lose him anyway because Roos and Casey are immensely more valuable players. So if you tag him, it's not to evaluate him anyway but rather just to get another solid year out of him. Keeping Verner long term really isn't an option and signing him to any long term deal would be irresponsible. Regardless of whether he's a "playmaking" solid corner or not, he is not a shut down corner and isn't worth anywhere close to what he'll likely want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Suppose you tag Verner and miss out on signing one or two impact players on the front 7, then in 2015 Verner, Roos, Casey all have expiring deals. We'd lose him anyway because Roos and Casey are immensely more valuable players. So if you tag him, it's not to evaluate him anyway but rather just to get another solid year out of him. Keeping Verner long term really isn't an option and signing him to any long term deal would be irresponsible. Regardless of whether he's a "playmaking" solid corner or not, he is not a shut down corner and isn't worth anywhere close to what he'll likely want. Good point. I don't know if they'd sign Roos depending on the draft this year but still, you make a good point. Blidi did look pretty decent in some very small opportunities at the end of the year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEPPELIN Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Suppose you tag Verner and miss out on signing one or two impact players on the front 7, then in 2015 Verner, Roos, Casey all have expiring deals. We'd lose him anyway because Roos and Casey are immensely more valuable players. So if you tag him, it's not to evaluate him anyway but rather just to get another solid year out of him. Keeping Verner long term really isn't an option and signing him to any long term deal would be irresponsible. Regardless of whether he's a "playmaking" solid corner or not, he is not a shut down corner and isn't worth anywhere close to what he'll likely want. Why is signing him to a long term deal not an option? He is a smart, high character player who makes plays. Forgive me, but that is a rarity in Titanland. This is a very important position, as exhibited by the money being paid for top corners. We signed McCourty to a long-term deal so why is it not an option to lock up another young CB who makes more plays. I have heard cut cut cut for years when it comes to all kinds of proven starters on our roster. People said cut McCourty, Morgan, Washington, Stevens, etc. You can't just cut all your top players every time they are about to become free agents. Verner is a great player, so if we tag him and are able to work out a reasonable long term deal, great. If not, he plays for typical money for a year or possibly two. You can't just assume by freeing up his money we will be able to plug in new guys for reasonable money who will be a better fit for our defense. This whole idea of cutting him and simply finding 2 new guys for the same money is a pipe dream. If he were a total POS player like our RB, it would be a different story. He's one of very few playmakers we have. Given his intellect and character, he is a guy you want to keep long term. The only way to possibly snag him for reasonable money is to tag him first. If he hits free agency, forget it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 He's had one good season and the Coordinator for that year isn't here anymore. You don't pays guys like that long term deals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 He's had one good season and the Coordinator for that year isn't here anymore. You don't pays guys like that long term deals. Don't pay a CB a big deal who's only had one good season and played mostly cover 2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEPPELIN Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 The assumption here seems to be that Verner isn't really as good as how he actually played and our cap dollars would be better spent on other positions. It's easy to make assumptions about how to improve the defense, but when you let one of the best players go with the intention of using the money at other spots, you run the risk of becoming worse overall. I think we proved that when we let Godfrey go. I am not suggesting we offer him a long term deal for $11 million per year. One year at Top 5 money is a manageable experiment. He seems to be getting better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Job well done Mr. Verner. You have taken yourself from a 4th round draft choice to the brink of a LARGE payday. Thank you for giving the Titans tremendous value from that 4th round selection. I understand that some of you do not want to see a productive player leave. This is business. I see no way for the Titans to get good value from resigning Verner in any form, not the tag, not long term. Verner is going to get way more than what the Titans should justify paying him. As much as I like and appreciate Alterraun Verner, I think resigning him would be a mistake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrill Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I think we should tag Verner for two reasons... 1) We can afford it and, for only one season, I think it would probably be worth the money. Also, he'd probably make that much in the first year of his new contract with any team so I don't think he would as angry about being tagged. Also, tagging him is basically guaranteeing another season of "contract-year-performance". 2) TRADE VALUE. We've seen crazier trades(Oakland, Indianapolis, Cleveland) than a team giving up a late 1st or early 2nd for one of the best corners in the league. And let's face it, Verner is probably a way better value than a late first or early second round corner (assuming Gilbert is off the board). If, we were to get another first or an early second, we would have serious trade bait for a Bridgewater/Manziel or Barr/Mack/Clowney trade up. Or we would have 3 early picks to spend on our new defense or our questionable offensive-line/running backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperFreak90 Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I say pass on tagging Verner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h4t Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 If I remember, the Titans didn't think that much of Verner prior to the season as they were doing everything they could to replace him with Campbell or whatever other body they could get. I think they finally realized that they had no replacement so kept him and tried to cover up his weaknesses by playing him in a system geared to his strengths. I think they still don't see him as an elite player, so I can't see them throwing money his way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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