Jamalisms Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Generally, though, I feel there was a pattern. Coaching staffs will come down in a range on how likely they are to put players in before mastering XYZ thing. I think we were on the conservative side, which I'm not saying was even bad. I keep saying could, not should. Even if a good idea overall, though, you will invariably run into the good player who never got the right shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMJ Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 So is Cook going to be lined up as a WR? If he doesn't and lines up as a TE, no one in the stadium is going to believe he is in there to block. I'm interested in seeing how they are going to use this guy (line him up). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I did say that Cookie is one himself short of a batch. I think a lot of people admit he is lacking in the brain dept... just that more effort could have been made with the last regime to get athletes on the field and producing. On what basis? Cook is actually a bright guy (25 on the Wonderlic to whatever extent it matters) who's well spoken and can run routes. The Tight End position is a difficult one to learn due to the assigments (run blocking, pass-blocking, receiving) since you're both an extension of the offensive line and the receiving corps. The only thing I've ever heard regarding Cook is that he's a reps guy who learns by doing which is hardly a blemish on his intelligence when you're talking about a position in sports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzyeddie Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 If your offense is somewhat complicated and you know that you put an emphasis on having a full grasp of the offense before you are gonna put a guy on the field then draft smarter guys. Why draft a guy that you know is too dumb to understand a complicated offense. He got his shot because the season was down the tubes and if it hadn't then he would have been watching Scaife. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Don't forget how great Troupe looked in practice, etc... Let's see Cook not mess up his assignments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 ...just based on reports if botched assignments. In terms of learning his position, he isn't (or hasn't been) 'there' yet. My use of cookies don't necessarily equate to intelligence so much as it signified a sense of incompleteness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-RAC Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 If he's so hopeless as a blocker why don't we line him up as a WR? He's about the same size as Vincent Jackson and Marques Colston right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Young TEs are bound to make mistakes if they're expected to fill the role as a complete tight end. It took Marcedes Lewis almost three to four years to become fully effective as a complete tight end. He never had a standout season until his fifth year. It's just the nature of the position. Outside of quarterback, tight end is one of the most complicated positions in terms of assignment because you're typically a jack of all trades. People are overreacting to Cook's mistakes given Heimerdingers reputation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenj Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I've met Cook a couple times and the guy is extremely bright. While general intelligence and studying a playbook are different things, it is very, very, very hard to believe he isn't mentally capable of handling the TE position. I think the criticism goes back to what nine is saying: personnel not being used correctly. Everyone knew Cook was a project who was more of a receiver than a blocker. It's frustrating that we have seen so little of a guy on gameday because he wasn't a master blocker yet. Heim was notorious for needing players to have mastered every nuance of the entire playbook before getting any action. If they didn't, they never saw the field. The old regime didn't do a very good job getting talent on the field early as they were learning the playbook. The media under Fisher constantly questioned the IQ on any talented player who didn't play. No one ever questioned the coaches (until now. Notice how Wyatt and the lot has started criticizing Fisher for stuff the fans have said for years). If it takes years to get a smart, elite athlete on the field then maybe the playbook is unnecessarily complicated. But it's all premature anyway. Let's wait for a real game to see if Cook has enough of an understanding of his assignments to succeed and not be a liability in protection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 In re-reading, I said he is lacking in the brain dept. If he is smart enough, that was an inappropriate expression of what I was trying to say. Ignore that, and pay attention to the things I say which sound smart... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzyeddie Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 what?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-RAC Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Young TEs are bound to make mistakes if they're expected to fill the role as a complete tight end. It took Marcedes Lewis almost three to four years to become fully effective as a complete tight end. He never had a standout season until his fifth year. It's just the nature of the position. Outside of quarterback, tight end is one of the most complicated positions in terms of assignment because you're typically a jack of all trades. People are overreacting to Cook's mistakes given Heimerdingers reputation. I'm not sure I buy that principle, in general. I think Mercedes Lewis is one example but most other good TEs in the league had significantly more production in their first 2 years: Finley, Clark, Gates, Gonzales, Vernon Davis, Owen Daniels, Jason Witten, Cooley. etc... Cook could be an exception, sure, but let's not pretend it's all according to plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMJ Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 The old regime didn't do a very good job getting talent on the field early as they were learning the playbook. The media under Fisher constantly questioned the IQ on any talented player who didn't play. No one ever questioned the coaches (until now. Notice how Wyatt and the lot has started criticizing Fisher for stuff the fans have said for years). Testify! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-RAC Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Yeah I know Cook was raw coming out. If he pans out (and I think he has a good chance) he's the exception to the rule, that's all I'm saying. My comment was countering the notion that you can't expect TEs to produce in their first 2 seasons because it's so much more complex than WR. Most good TEs manage to produce in their first 2 seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I think it hurt Cook that VY was starting. In those games the offense was totally geared towards running the ball and deep passes off of play action passes, Cook doesn't fit in that because he's not going to run block. So in short I blame VY. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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