oldschool Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 Just now, AvgJoe said: Last night was a referendum on Trump and if my party is listening, they need to keep his ass on the sidelines and negate his influence. Ron DeSantis is a runaway freight train for 2024 if the party won’t be retarded. To sideline Trump for sure.but nationally, I'm not sure the rest of the Country wants to replicate whats going on in FL. It will be an interesting election for sure though as I'm not sure the Dems have a good candidate pool to draw from outside of Whitmer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, AvgJoe said: Last night was a referendum on Trump and if my party is listening, they need to keep his ass on the sidelines and negate his influence. Ron DeSantis is a runaway freight train for 2024 if the party won’t be retarded. The interesting part will be when Trump starts trashing DeSantis. Let's see what if any dirt he has on him b/c Trump won't go quietly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, oldschool said: like I said months ago, we would know whether the dem strategy of supporting extremist opponents in the primary in key races would work or not on election night. Considering they swept these races, Its clear it was a good strategy for this cycle. This is simply short sighted. Total cost of ownership is not "what's the price tag say?". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 minute ago, reo said: And let's be honest. The extremists run the party. It's not like having more "moderate" Republicans in those spots would've helped anything. It's not like they'd have stood up to leadership and the leadership follows Trump. actually if you look at the metrics so far, Independents broke for Dems on avg +2, lots of split ticket voting in key states, low Dem turnout in some key districts, etc... and its easy to make the argument better candidates would have led to more GOP wins this cycle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 Just now, begooode said: This is simply short sighted. Total cost of ownership is not "what's the price tag say?". One cycle isn't enough info to make the inference you are making right now. I'm curious if the employ this strat in 2024 and 2026 and it has the anywhere close to the same degree of success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, oldschool said: like I said months ago, we would know whether the dem strategy of supporting extremist opponents in the primary in key races would work or not on election night. Considering they swept these races, Its clear it was a good strategy for this cycle. I think there are two different issues being conflated here. Is it a good electoral strategy? The answer here looks like a resounding "yes" Is it an ethical strategy? The answer here was always "no" unless you think the ends justify the means. How to weigh these two things will differ for different people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, begooode said: Promoting election deniers cannot be rationalized, especially if the only result anyone is focused on is winning an election. Doing so, effectively rationalizes exactly why the repubs should pursue whatever tactic necessary. When the Tim Miller's are telling people what's up and what the cost is , and they ignore it , that's irrational and continues a path of bitter divisiveness and continued weak government. It can be rationalized by the fact it worked. I'm not sure what you don't get about this. I said to you directly I agree with you from a sociological standpoint, and more or less even from a moral standpoint. The fact remains the Republicans are doing everything they can to destroy our Democracy. Their leader denies the results of elections. His sycophants push that message. They tried to overthrow our government just a couple years ago. The Dems taking a strategic maneuver to not have them retake control of 2/3rds of our government is to be lauded as politically deft at the least even if it means they had to wallow with the pigs for a bit to get it done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Titans279 said: I think there are two different issues being conflated here. Is it a good electoral strategy? The answer here looks like a resounding "yes" Is it an ethical strategy? The answer here was always "no" unless you think the ends justify the means. How to weigh these two things will differ for different people. Yeah I get that but this is hard core politics and the GOP doesn't play fair. Spare me the ethical, fair and balanced bullshit. Anyone who thinks the National temperature on politics is going to drop is fooling themselves. Foxnews and the right wing media apparatus are not going anywhere. If anything its only going to get worse with how successful Trump has been at spreading lies and misinformation the past 6 years. The 60-70% of the GOP electorate actually believes the 2020 election was stolen for crying out loud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 15 minutes ago, AvgJoe said: Last night was a referendum on Trump and if my party is listening, they need to keep his ass on the sidelines and negate his influence. Ron DeSantis is a runaway freight train for 2024 if the party won’t be retarded. I have zero idea why someone as intelligent as you would still consider themselves a Republican. Trump is still your party leader. The man is a maniacal sociopath. His sycophants still run your party and will continue to do so. DeSantis is one of them even if it was only a political maneuver to gain power. Become an independent. The Republicans no longer exist as a party of empathy, family, and fiscal conservatism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Titans279 Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 I would wanna verify this, but some talk on Twitter was blaming Cuomo for appointing conservative judges who then struck down their map lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 Considering the GOP was expected to take 25-35 seats I'll take what we get as far as the House is concerned but Dems better get their shit together when it comes to redistricting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 21 minutes ago, oldschool said: actually if you look at the metrics so far, Independents broke for Dems on avg +2, lots of split ticket voting in key states, low Dem turnout in some key districts, etc... and its easy to make the argument better candidates would have led to more GOP wins this cycle. Not my point. Better gop candidates definitely would've helped them. I'm saying better GOP candidates wouldn't have mattered in the long run for the country b/c it's not like more moderate candidates would've bucked leadership. They'd have governed just as extremely as those that won the midterms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 Holy shit.... starting to be some noise around a hold. That would be insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 Gerrymandering is similar core argument to the boosting MAGA candidates. Is this a total war scenario or do we wanna take the moral high ground? The problem is that a lot of places have already passed laws that make gerrymandering Democratic states impossible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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