Mythos27 Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, SleepingTitan said: Henry makes 10x more money than Foreman. If we can theoretically get the same production out of RBBC, the next step is trading. The whole NFL thinks he's one of the top 100 players, but his production can be replaced by RBBC. That's the argument. You can't make an argument and call everyone idiots for not swallowing it without also admitting what your argument implies. But it doesn't imply that. You're making a slippery slope argument. You could look at Foreman and say "he can give us 80% of Henry" and still decide that paying Henry much more is still well worth it because of the value he can add. And all of his production wasn't replaced by the RBBC, we scored like 4 less rushing touchdowns. Also, while yes Henry makes "10x more money than Foreman" that's not really a big deal because running backs make shit money relative to other positions. Even on his current deal Henry is very cheap for what he gives us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: Yeah the play action YPA went down when their receivers were out. I wonder why? You might wanna have your water checked. Our receivers, especially Brown, didn't do jackshit to start the season. Julio had 1 good game. The receiver issue isn't just last 8 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 Its amazing how often the bottom five and football stupid crew continue to embarrass themselves. They fall over every single piece that props up henry because they are so unwilling to look at things objectively. Davenport's article was lazy and full of holes, just like nearly everything he puts out. I don't even really blame him, most main stream sports media puts out garbage too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 Just now, oldschool said: Its amazing how often the bottom five and football stupid crew continue to embarrass themselves. They fall over every single piece that props up henry because they are so unwilling to look at things objectively. Davenport's article was lazy and full of holes, just like nearly everything he puts out. I don't even really blame him, most main stream sports media puts out garbage too. I'm trying to look at it objectively, but obviously every stat I use is fallacious unless one of you smart people offers it. Any other stat is INADMISSABLE!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 minute ago, SleepingTitan said: You might wanna have your water checked. Our receivers, especially Brown, didn't do jackshit to start the season. Julio had 1 good game. The receiver issue isn't just last 8 games. Dude... there is literally 10+ years of data that shows the RB nor the success of the running game affects Playaction success. Its settled at this point so you may want to come up with a better rebuttal. One possible avenue is to say of course Henry on paper should provide more explosive plays based on his career and the difference in ability between him and Foreman/Hilliard however the data through the 1st 8 games of 2021 doesn't support that. You could also argue Henry traditional gets more big runs as the season goes along. Valid responses.... not the playaction nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 minute ago, oldschool said: Dude... there is literally 10+ years of data that shows the RB nor the success of the running game affects Playaction success. Its settled at this point so you may want to come up with a better rebuttal. One possible avenue is to say of course Henry on paper should provide more explosive plays based on his career and the difference in ability between him and Foreman/Hilliard however the data through the 1st 8 games of 2021 doesn't support that. You could also argue Henry traditional gets more big runs as the season goes along. Valid responses.... not the playaction nonsense. Got it. 10 year old data good. Henry's numbers last year bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, SleepingTitan said: I'm trying to look at it objectively, but obviously every stat I use is fallacious unless one of you smart people offers it. Any other stat is INADMISSABLE!!!! The playaction argument makes you look ill informed. And yes you will be called out for using stats to provide or support bad analysis which is exactly what Davenport did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 Just now, SleepingTitan said: Got it. 10 year old data good. Henry's numbers last year bad. the data set includes henry's numbers, how are you so bad at this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 Anyone mentioning trading Henry is a jackass. THE TITANS TRADE HENRY AFTER SB. That's dummy talk. But a tranny on a football forum might say anything to get attention. Tranny (*) LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 Look, while I'm pretty much in agreement now on the personnel vs coverage debate since it's pretty obvious watching the games objectively for that correlation, but you guys are missing the point on the RBBC = DH argument. You can't pick and choose the data to suit you, and you can't make a proclamation without also living with the implications. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 minute ago, SleepingTitan said: You might wanna have your water checked. Our receivers, especially Brown, didn't do jackshit to start the season. Julio had 1 good game. The receiver issue isn't just last 8 games. Yeah that was the same as the games where they were without AJB and Julio. LOL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, oldschool said: The playaction argument makes you look ill informed. And yes you will be called out for using stats to provide or support bad analysis which is exactly what Davenport did. I'm not looking at the NFL as a whole. I'm only looking at this year's numbers for the PA thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 I'm not gonna clown TD. I really like him and how he covers the Titans. I also think he's a pretty good X's and O's football guy that breaks down plays well. He, like most of us, just still believes the football dogma he was raised with. I don't think he's a football dummy and I think he'll come around as time goes on and the conventional wisdom isn't as axiomatic as people thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJClown Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: But it doesn't imply that. You're making a slippery slope argument. You could look at Foreman and say "he can give us 80% of Henry" Many posters as yourself have said that tannehills production wouldnt fall without Henry or the team production wouldnt fall off, the dude just posted stats of tannehill without Henry in the line up on play action pass, and it dropped by a wide margin. Care to explain that without pinpointing fingers at other positional groups? 9 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: that paying Henry much more is still well worth it because of the value he can add. If Foreman was able to pick up the load and we didnt see an offensive regression in the run game or on offense overall, what worth could Henry provide? Please explain this in detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Number9 said: Anyone mentioning trading Henry is a jackass. THE TITANS TRADE HENRY AFTER SB. That's dummy talk. But a tranny on a football forum might say anything to get attention. Tranny (*) LOL Nobody mentioned trading Henry except for Sleeping Titan. Sorry Radio! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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