Little Earl Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said: You can almost always count on Christians to be hypocrites who don’t understand their own religion. Clearly you are the one that doesn't understand it. You are also a fool if you compare punishing a person for committing a heinous act to killing an innocent unborn baby. God allows the governing authorities to set laws and enforce them with punishment. God does not dictate what those punishments should be, but obviously there are humanly limits that should be in place. God did set a bunch of laws and punishments for ancient Israel, but that was for only them during the time that led up to the birth of Jesus. But if God ordained capital punishment for ancient Israel, why wouldn't it be a justifiable punishment today? How am I being a hypocrite? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Little Earl said: Clearly you are the one that doesn't understand it. You are also a fool if you compare punishing a person for committing a heinous act to killing an innocent unborn baby. God allows the governing authorities to set laws and enforce them with punishment. God does not dictate what those punishments should be, but obviously there are humanly limits that should be in place. God did set a bunch of laws and punishments for ancient Israel, but that was for only them during the time that led up to the birth of Jesus. But if God ordained capital punishment for ancient Israel, why wouldn't it be a justifiable punishment today? How am I being a hypocrite? Because Jesus brought about a new covenant. The old law is not supposed to be used to justify actions after Christ made that covenant. Citing an eye for an eye is obviously hypocritical and lacks a basic understanding of the teachings of Christ. Anywho, I’m not a Christian, though I do my best to follow his philosophy. Do you think Christ would agree with the state mandating the killing of people? Really? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Because Jesus brought about a new covenant. The old law is not supposed to be used to justify actions after Christ made that covenant. Citing an eye for an eye is obviously hypocritical and lacks a basic understanding of the teachings of Christ. Anywho, I’m not a Christian, though I do my best to follow his philosophy. Do you think Christ would agree with the state mandating the killing of people? Really? The guy believes in a magical ending of the world that was predicted in a fictional book written more than 2000 years ago and still hasn't passed. Shockingly. Of course he thinks Christ agrees with what ever happens to fit within his world view. This isn't hard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Little Earl said: An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Punishment for heinous sins with death are biblical and not murder. The death penalty is allowed but not mandated. uh..... that whole doctrine went out with the new testament... You know... when Jesus taught forgive and forget, turn the other cheek, love your enemies. Too bad you don't even know your own Bible but you want to force people into adhering to your incorrect and blasphemous rationalizations Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted November 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Justafan said: You guys are trying to reason with a guy who believes there is a magic sky daddy fighting an evil magical demon and if you do what the one wants you get to go to a magical place where everyone gets along (how would that even be possible without complete loss of free will?) or if you do what the other wants, you get to burn in agony for eternity (over react much?). Oh, and that argument seems perfectly logical to him. Stop wasting your time fellas. 2 hours ago, Justafan said: The guy believes in a magical ending of the world that was predicted in a fictional book written more than 2000 years ago and still hasn't passed. Shockingly. Of course he thinks Christ agrees with what ever happens to fit within his world view. This isn't hard. Wait just a minute! We are trying to save @Little Earl. Hypocrites do not go to heaven. Matthew 15:8-9 “ ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Earl Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 34 minutes ago, titanruss said: uh..... that whole doctrine went out with the new testament... You know... when Jesus taught forgive and forget, turn the other cheek, love your enemies. Too bad you don't even know your own Bible but you want to force people into adhering to your incorrect and blasphemous rationalizations Ummm no, Jesus did not say forgive and forget. So maybe you need to know what the Bible says first before spouting off. Jesus also said to sell your cloak and buy a sword. Just because those particular laws and punishments went away with the new testament for Israel, doesn't mean it is wrong to use them today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Earl Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Justafan said: You guys are trying to reason with a guy who believes there is a magic sky daddy fighting an evil magical demon and if you do what the one wants you get to go to a magical place where everyone gets along (how would that even be possible without complete loss of free will?) or if you do what the other wants, you get to burn in agony for eternity (over react much?). Oh, and that argument seems perfectly logical to him. Stop wasting your time fellas. Could be worse, one could believe that everything came about by pure random chance. Talk about lunacy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 As much as I disagree with @Little Earl 's politics I still feel like it's crossing a line to belittle someone else's religious beliefs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Little Earl said: Could be worse, one could believe that everything came about by pure random chance. Talk about lunacy. 1. A theory rooted in physics that has been proven to be plausible is FAR more believable than magic and demons. 2. No one has made the claim that we got here by chance. Only that magic sky daddy talked about in the book of spells is definitely NOT rooted in reality. A five year old could listen to bible stories and see them for what they are. This ain't hard bro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, patsplat said: As much as I disagree with @Little Earl 's politics I still feel like it's crossing a line to belittle someone else's religious beliefs. I have yet to see religious people who were unwilling to cross that line when talking about others so I don't see why I should be expected to hold back when it's going the other way. Ask a Christian what they think of Muslims or Jehovah's witness or even cults for that matter. It sounds a lot like what I'm telling Earl. They'll quickly point out the lunacy of their beliefs and wonder how anyone could ever be so gullible and yet refuse to see the fallacies in their own logic. The biggest difference between Atheists and Christians is that Atheists see Christians the same way that Christians see everyone else. Challenging religion by calling it what it is, is not denigrating or belittling. They really do believe in magic, demons, and a mystical sky king who's going to wisp us all away to a fantasy land when we die. If anyone else said this type of shit everyone would point and laugh. They only get away with it because they've been doing it for so long and every time someone challenges the stupidity of it all, here comes some one to claim persecution or slander. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 31 minutes ago, Number9 said: Wait just a minute! We are trying to save @Little Earl. Hypocrites do not go to heaven. Matthew 15:8-9 “ ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’” Why? What if the Muslims are right? Then we're all fucked! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted November 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 28 minutes ago, patsplat said: As much as I disagree with @Little Earl 's politics I still feel like it's crossing a line to belittle someone else's religious beliefs. Our country was set up to separate church and state. These people as @Little Earl said are giving sermons to get people to decide how to vote. How many sermons have they done to support Obamacare, the insurance for people with p/e conditions? Jesus was all about healing, yet they don't even support healthcare for all. Abortion a pub issue to elect people like Trump. If dems took the same position on abortion, they would find another "key" issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 55 minutes ago, Little Earl said: Ummm no, Jesus did not say forgive and forget. So maybe you need to know what the Bible says first before spouting off. Jesus also said to sell your cloak and buy a sword. Just because those particular laws and punishments went away with the new testament for Israel, doesn't mean it is wrong to use them today. You're right, Jesus just said to turn the other cheek and forgive and love your enemies and neighbors in like every other verse. What are you even arguing? Jesus said to take up a sword as a means to fulfill a prophesy and in metaphorical terms. You think that he wanted to arm his disciples to fight off the whole Roman army to avoid being crucified? LOL! HOW FUCKING DARE YOU think Jesus needed human protection and/or was ignorant of his fate. Riiiight. So we should stone our children? Kille women who have been raped? Want me to list off the 1000 other retarded laws that you are saying is OK now? So you just pick and choose without reason? The Bible tells you to "seek truth" You are seeking confirmation of what your fire and brimstone preacher told you when you were a baby. You seek no truth at all and you will be judged for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 50 minutes ago, patsplat said: As much as I disagree with @Little Earl 's politics I still feel like it's crossing a line to belittle someone else's religious beliefs. If someone starts the fight and decides that their religious beliefs affect someone elses life.. then they will get arguments back. The fact he's been unable to accurately refute any argument here leads you to know that he's again just parroting things he's heard his whole life and never actually thought about. I will not belittle Christianity. I will absolutely belittle those that use Christianity to control others and don't try and research their own religions/faith outside of the church's walls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Earl Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, titanruss said: If someone starts the fight and decides that their religious beliefs affect someone elses life.. then they will get arguments back. The fact he's been unable to accurately refute any argument here leads you to know that he's again just parroting things he's heard his whole life and never actually thought about. I will not belittle Christianity. I will absolutely belittle those that use Christianity to control others and don't try and research their own religions/faith outside of the church's walls. LOL! You have not said anything correctly. The Bible does not call for the stoning of young kids, only adult kids. The Bible does not call for the killing of women that have been raped. And of course you are wrong in your interpretation of buying a sword. Jesus knew the Christians would be facing major persecution, and there would be times they would need to protect themselves, not turn the other cheek. Jesus did not say to forgive and FORGET, as you said. There are consequences to our actions, and punishment/discipline earned should be delivered. And you don't just forget things as if they never happened. You will lose arguing with me on this. I have studied as an adult and know so much more of the Bible than you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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