oldschool Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 You saw what happened with Favre in GB. If Manning signs a 5 yr contract -- which he will -- and he feels like he can keep playing past 2 years (again, he will barring injury), then Locker won't get the starting gig no matter what. There was an article the other day about being Manning's backup QB and how it is a terrible situation for a young QB. Locker isn't learning to run Manning's no huddle -- first off, no one else really can; second, it doesn't fit locker's strengths. The Manning deal is only worth it if we go all in for a SB in the next 2 years. People also forget the Manning doesn't allow anyone else to take snaps from him in practice. I believe Hasslebeck is much better than Manning for Locker's development. Too often people believe great players make great teachers. It doesn't usually work that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 That goes for any other plan you devise. We may not be able to get a top DE to make the defense good enough for Locker to compete until he is in his prime. Locker might develop slowly, get hurt, will cj decline, will britt stay healthy. One thing is for certain, no matter what happens- it will be complicated. But not all decisions carry the same risk or uncertainty. The risk of signing Manning carries a disproportionately higher risk than anything else that an NFL decision maker might reasonably assume. It's not accurate to say that signing a DE or another personnel move is the same risk as signing Manning because some other negative scenario can occur. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Wait... why is nobody else reporting they left without him throwing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Have you read the contract? If not you have no idea what potentially clauses there will be. Have you read it? Manning said he'd be willing to put a clause in there protecting teams against it. That's what I'm going off of. If you don't believe that then you're just speculating based on what you're afraid is true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitansGuru Posted March 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Chronicle Sports @chroniclesports Reply Retweet Favorite · Open Elway, Fox, Manning and Co are leaving now. Manning did not throw a pass today. Odd development That is...odd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLocker10 Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 People are oversimplifying it and it's in large part due to emotion. By all indications the Titans front-office was not interested in pursuing Manning until Bud Adams pushed them to drop everything and go after him. What should that say about the Titans and Manning when it comes to risk management and long-term planning? People want Manning because he's Manning. I've lived in California basically my entire life and never stepped a foot in the South. My feelings towards Manning are completely neutral. I don't care about his legacy or anything like that, I'm only concerned about what I think he can do for the Titans now and in the future and I'm concerned with how that fits into the context of the team's long term plans/goals. It's a bad idea for this team considering everything involved. If I was a betting person I would throw down a good sum of cash that if Manning signed with the Titans that we probably wouldn't do more than lose in a conference championship game. A younger, healthier manning has a losing record in the playoffs And he only had Harrison, Wayne, Clark, James, Glenn, Saturday, Freeney, Mathis, Sanders, Brackett all in their primes at the same time And barely won one SB And now were expecting him at soon to be 36 years old and multiple neck surgeries to win us a SB within the next two to three years LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 People also forget the Manning doesn't allow anyone else to take snaps from him in practice. I believe Hasslebeck is much better than Manning for Locker's development. Too often people believe great players make great teachers. It doesn't usually work that way. Too often people believe that the only way to learn is to have someone directly teaching you. Locker can learn plenty by watching Manning. And the Titans won't let him have every snap due to the injury risk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Wait... why is nobody else reporting they left without him throwing? too busy debating the merits of manninggate That is odd. Could it have been a desperation move by broncos to sway manning or could it be that manning isnt as healthy as it seems? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 A younger, healthier manning has a losing record in the playoffs And he only had Harrison, Wayne, Clark, James, Glenn, Saturday, Freeney, Mathis, Sanders, Brackett all in their primes at the same time And barely won one SB And now were expecting him at soon to be 36 years old and multiple neck surgeries to win us a SB within the next two to three years LOL wait wait wait... this is a whole new argument are you arguing that locker gives the titans a better chance to win a SB today than manning today? That's.... umm... bold Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLocker10 Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 wait wait wait... this is a whole new argument are you arguing that locker gives the titans a better chance to win a SB today than manning today? That's.... umm... bold How often does win now and sb or bust actually work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmeade- Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Have you read it? Manning said he'd be willing to put a clause in there protecting teams against it. That's what I'm going off of. If you don't believe that then you're just speculating based on what you're afraid is true. "Manning’s camp has indicated he wants to protect a new team from taking any sort of financial hit if an issue with his neck arises." His camp also indicated at one point that he would be okay with a incentive based contract. Obviously no one has read any contracts, that is the point. With all the crazy news being reported, I don't believe anything at this point until I hear it in a press conference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 But not all decisions carry the same risk or uncertainty. The risk of signing Manning carries a disproportionately higher risk than anything else that an NFL decision maker might reasonably assume. It's not accurate to say that signing a DE or another personnel move is the same risk as signing Manning because some other negative scenario can occur. how are you calculating that? Besides, I think to want to do something big- you have to be willing to take chances. I dont know any franchise that got ahead by playing it safe. This would be a very similar move to the Saints taking a chance on Brees. Yes Brees was younger, but his upside at the time wasn't near as great and his chance of recovery at the time- I believe was longer. You have to take risks at some point. It just needs to be a calculated risk. I think going for Manning after watching him throw, getting Team dr's advice, and adding clauses in the contract- is a pretty solid calculated risk. Particularly give that you have a young gun still on your roster if it all goes to pot. There will be hurdles down the road. No doubt. But thats true no matter the course taken. This is as good a direction and as calculated a risk as the bills just made on mario williams who has not yet shown he can be a consistent franchise de even after several years in the league. Just hope the calculated risk pays off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightinTitan Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Chronicle Sports @chroniclesports Reply Retweet Favorite · Open Elway, Fox, Manning and Co are leaving now. Manning did not throw a pass today. Odd development If this is true, then this was in fact, a last ditch effort by the Broncos to convince Manning to be a Bronco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 How often does win now and sb or bust actually work? Define win now... it doesnt have to be this year. How often is a hall of fame qb of mannings age and caliber available? Its a unique situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 how are you calculating that? Besides, I think to want to do something big- you have to be willing to take chances. I dont know any franchise that got ahead by playing it safe. This would be a very similar move to the Saints taking a chance on Brees. Yes Brees was younger, but his upside at the time wasn't near as great and his chance of recovery at the time- I believe was longer. You have to take risks at some point. It just needs to be a calculated risk. I think going for Manning after watching him throw, getting Team dr's advice, and adding clauses in the contract- is a pretty solid calculated risk. Particularly give that you have a young gun still on your roster if it all goes to pot. There will be hurdles down the road. No doubt. But thats true no matter the course taken. This is as good a direction and as calculated a risk as the bills just made on mario williams who has not yet shown he can be a consistent franchise de even after several years in the league. Just hope the calculated risk pays off. This isn't a calculated risk though. This is an old and dying owner insisting that he gets his way or else! Besides, who did the Saints have a quarterback when they pursued Brees? I think going after Manning is a good idea for any team without a resolved quarterback solution. The Titans quarterback solution is resolved though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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