pat Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 40 minutes ago, El Guapo said: On the other hand, you may be right. Because if I was anywhere in charge when Commies finally fall from grace in Cuba, I would take down every painting, statue, slogan from Che and the Castros and sink them in the abyss... So maybe I am being hypocritical, which I hate above all faults... 5 minutes ago, Starkiller said: Did you enjoy the toppling of Saddam's statues? Or did you oppose that? Note @El Guapo gets it, even though his first posts started out somewhere else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, patsplat said: Note @El Guapo gets it, even though his first posts started out somewhere else. I think he does, but this is the best modern example of removing statues we have that would be comparable. He had a theoretical example, I simply had a real one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 Messy thought patterns but eventually I can come up with a cohesive point. I really did not give a damn about Saddam statues. Not really emotionally involved. But I really enjoyed tearing down the Berlin Wall and Felix Dzerzhinsky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJClown Posted June 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 3 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: ...Indians were defending their territory. Do any of the others on that all star list have monuments? It is a nuanced situation, but you seem to be the one not dealing with the gray. Why the hell should we have a massive statute of Nathan Bedford Forrest in Nashville? Nathan was a traitor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJClown Posted June 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 I dont see Germany glorfying Hitler. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaa2 Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 Twilight of the traitorous idols. Take them all down. Fuck the CSA. We should have shipped all the rebels to south America or Australia and let the freed slaves have their owners' land. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaa2 Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 7 hours ago, Rolltide said: Don't tear this one down please. Leave it for target practice. He has the look of the murderous madman that he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJClown Posted June 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 7 hours ago, El Guapo said: Ok. People offended by a statue or a monument. I dont see anybody idolizing any of them. The sole purpose of statues is to glorify and idolize. If you want history, you can read a history book. Why don't we have statues of Benedict Arnold everywhere? And never forget. Indians gave you turkey. Enjoy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Daqueef said: The sole purpose of statues is to glorify and idolize. If you want history, you can read a history book. Yup, a statue is the most literal version of idolizing someone... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaa2 Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Starkiller said: The Native Americans were victims of conquest, genocide, and betrayal. Hardly comparable. They were never traitors. Well now I wouldn't say that. I don't think they were victims of the US until Andrew Jackson's reign of terror and afterwards. There were atrocities on both sides but it was a very fair fight until Tecumseh was killed in 1813. They sided with the French against us in the French and Indian war then sided with the British against us for 40 years. They made their bed so unfortunately their descendants had to lay in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaddKarma Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 12 hours ago, Daqueef said: Do you support a statue in the public square of a general of a foreign army that attacked the US and killed hundreds of thousands of Americans? Interesting way of phrasing the question. How do you view the Little Big Horn National Monument? How should the those that attacked and massacred U.S. Army forces and Americans be viewed? As the OP became more clear with input by others and less of an attempt to create drama, the statues should be moved or turned into a museum/educational experience. I doubt the current "woke" generation would agree with anything but destruction and napalming of history however important it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 I suspect if statues were moved to a museum, that museum would be targeted by the left, also. Who gets to decide what is acceptable or not? The whole left has been influenced by that obnoxious revisionist Marxist anti-American Howard Zinn. How long before they close the Hermitage (genocide against Indians)? Washington owned slaves and therefore flawed. Ban him. Jefferson and his mistress. I live in Cheathem county. Wasn't he a Confederate general ? How about Shiloh national park? It is beautiful and thought provoking and sad, all at once. Lets tear it down..This can go on forever. So, I do not think any statues are idolized. Regardless of original intent, I suspect everyone drives or walks around Franklin and never once idolize any statue. But we shall see....I understand this as I have said but where does this end? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 2 hours ago, El Guapo said: I understand this as I have said but where does this end? Well, what’s wrong with figuring it out? Let the people decide. There is over 200 years of precedent to figure out what is lawful. As long as it is within the law then it’s up to the people. I’m pretty sure no one is going to start outlawing shirts or books anytime soon. If you mean it in furtherance of law then I would still think you’re wrong since the Supreme Court is conservative as is most of the circuit courts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJClown Posted June 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 9 hours ago, BaddKarma said: Interesting way of phrasing the question. How do you view the Little Big Horn National Monument? How should the those that attacked and massacred U.S. Army forces and Americans be viewed? As the OP became more clear with input by others and less of an attempt to create drama, the statues should be moved or turned into a museum/educational experience. I doubt the current "woke" generation would agree with anything but destruction and napalming of history however important it is. Deny it. Deny that lee renounced his citizenship, helped form a new country and led a army to attack and kill hundreds of thousands of Americans. It us the definition of a traitor. It's not a interesting way of looking at it. It is exactly what happened Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 Is this new guy Jake? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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