abenjami Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 26 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Yes, it is a false equivalence because he’s acting as if exports would be shutdown and starting his opinion from there. Since that isn’t the case his entire point is without merit. Exports wouldn’t shutdown. I don't think he was talking about shutting down all exports forever. Context bro, context. Regardless, again, this is a stupid issue to be spending time on when it comes to blaming Trump for exacerbating the situation. Could he have done more when it comes to masks? Of course. But 3M and others could have also done a whole lot more by also recognizing the shortage was coming and ramping up production sooner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 Just now, abenjami said: I don't think he was talking about shutting down all exports forever. Context bro, context. Regardless, again, this is a stupid issue to be spending time on when it comes to blaming Trump for exacerbating the situation. Could he have done more when it comes to masks? Of course. But 3M and others could have also done a whole lot more by also recognizing the shortage was coming and ramping up production sooner. I mean he says it right there in your quote In addition, ceasing all export of respirators produced in the United States would likely cause other countries to retaliate and do the same, as some have already done,” 3M added. “If that were to occur, the net number of respirators being made available to the United States would actually decrease.” In my opinion it is worthy of criticism when I’m seeing what’s happening to nurses around the country. These people are going into rooms with positive patients without proper gowns and masks. In some hospitals people are wearing bandanas and garbage bags. That shouldn’t be happening and imo wouldn’t have happened if the federal government had of instituted that law months ago. They could have restocked all equipment, parsed it out, restocked again, and by now we would be able to resume all exports. Also, once again notice the president signed into action exactly what 9s and I have been saying he should have done for months. So, of course I’m going to criticize him for being slow on the uptake and just now realizing they need to do this. If exports get hit for a bit then that sucks for the exporter, but they’ll be fine and other countries will understand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I mean he says it right there in your quote In addition, ceasing all export of respirators produced in the United States would likely cause other countries to retaliate and do the same, as some have already done,” 3M added. “If that were to occur, the net number of respirators being made available to the United States would actually decrease.” In my opinion it is worthy of criticism when I’m seeing what’s happening to nurses around the country. These people are going into rooms with positive patients without proper gowns and masks. In some hospitals people are wearing bandanas and garbage bags. That shouldn’t be happening and imo wouldn’t have happened if the federal government had of instituted that law months ago. They could have restocked all equipment, parsed it out, restocked again, and by now we would be able to resume all exports. Also, once again notice the president signed into action exactly what 9s and I have been saying he should have done for months. So, of course I’m going to criticize him for being slow on the uptake and just now realizing they need to do this. If exports get hit for a bit then that sucks for the exporter, but they’ll be fine and other countries will understand. IMO, cutting off the rest of the world from masks, for however long, is a terrible idea when one considers the potential retaliation if someone else develops the vaccine first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, abenjami said: IMO, cutting off the rest of the world from masks, for however long, is a terrible idea when one considers the potential retaliation if someone else develops the vaccine first. That isn’t how the law works. Exports wouldn’t be shutdown. It just gives the federal government the first right to buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 31 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: That isn’t how the law works. Exports wouldn’t be shutdown. It just gives the federal government the first right to buy. Which is essentially cutting off all other countries if the federal government buys up the entire supply. But again, this conversation is pointless in my opinion because neither extreme is happening. Even if Trump had done what you and 9's wanted two months ago, he wasn't going to buy all the masks and they were going to be exported anyway. The federal government is so inept that states are competing against each other for supplies. That is where the finger pointing should be aimed right now IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 24 minutes ago, abenjami said: Which is essentially cutting off all other countries if the federal government buys up the entire supply. But again, this conversation is pointless in my opinion because neither extreme is happening. Even if Trump had done what you and 9's wanted two months ago, he wasn't going to buy all the masks and they were going to be exported anyway. The federal government is so inept that states are competing against each other for supplies. That is where the finger pointing should be aimed right now IMO. Your last paragraph is why the law needed to be instituted in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 Just now, IsntLifeFunny said: Your last paragraph is why the law needed to be instituted in the first place. It would only have mattered if he had both instituted the law in the first place and stockpiled a bunch of masks. Clearly his actions to this point indicated both would not have occurred. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, abenjami said: It would only have mattered if he had both instituted the law in the first place and stockpiled a bunch of masks. Clearly his actions to this point indicated both would not have occurred. Correct...which has been the point the entire time. He could have instituted the law, which allowed the states to not have to compete against one another while overseeing the distribution of necessary medical supplies. I’m not sure how you don’t see the two go hand in hand. You can’t say anything about states competing against one another if you don’t acknowledge the fact the only mechanism to stop that was the Defense Production Act, specifically title 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Correct...which has been the point the entire time. He could have instituted the law, which allowed the states to not have to compete against one another while overseeing the distribution of necessary medical supplies. I’m not sure how you don’t see the two go hand in hand. You can’t say anything about states competing against one another if you don’t acknowledge the fact the only mechanism to stop that was the Defense Production Act, specifically title 1. I do see that but you've gone off on a tangent. The OP was blasting Trump for allowing masks to be exported instead of keeping them here for "America First". And I wouldn't say that is the "only" mechanism to stop states from competing for PPE, but it certainly is the best one given I think it's highly unlikely all 50 states will develop an alternative mechanism themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 Freaking idiots... The masks are being made in China because the "globalist cabal" fucked America for profit... Keep in mind, 3M is a U.S. owned company doing manufacturing business inside China. However, Beijing took control over 3M and nationalized their manufacturing facilities. But Roman doesn’t want to admit what happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted April 4, 2020 Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 hours ago, thor said: Freaking idiots... The masks are being made in China I pointed this out you freaking idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pat Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 If Trump loved Americans he'd wear a fucking mask. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 When Rolltide comes back from work in a Hefty bag just sit his ass on the curb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 Just now, Rolltide said: You are a total idiot. You wear a mask to protect others from yourself. He has tested negative so why does he need the mask? If he wore one you would bash him for that. Good job being ignorant. He'd set a good example. More people would wear masks including those who didn't know they were infected. And it would save lives. It's among the easiest possible things he could do. Leadership is simple. Get back to me in a month on this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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