The Titans have built too much around Mariota.

[big2033]

3 hours ago, Titansgoodluck said:

 

Mariota was arguably the best player on offense yesterday. Him or Henry.

 

I don't think you understand how QB works.

 

If he was the best player on offense he would've dodged sacks and would've thrown more completions regardless of drops.

 

When the QB does well everyone does well, when he struggles, everyone struggles.

[big2033]

1 hour ago, Tomachek said:

 

Your right he is the most sacked Quarterback in the NFL.  It's not all his fault though.  The offensive line is trash, but it's easier to point to Mariota I get it.  You want to fit in with the popular kids and that's the cool thing to say now.  The first couple games Mariota was missing the sideline throws, he's corrected that and made a number of great throws. Every week I've seen improvement to Mariota game, now every offensive player needs to step up.  I been on record wanting to draft a new Quarterback, each of the past couple years.  So i'm not just a Mariota jock-strap rider, this entire offense blows.

 

Even with the sacks he's taking, it's easy to say to avoid the pressure.  However, he is literally being swarmed by defensive players.  It's not just one guy, it's multiple guys breaking free.

 

Watch other QBs. Then watch Mariota. Seriously, do this as much as humanly possible. If you can't see a huge difference I don't know what to tell you.

 

Watch the entire MNF game tonight and watch how those QBs operate. You're going to see numerous instances of QBs dodging sacks and maneuvering the pocket.

 

You're also going to see darts up the sideline. Not lofts to the sideline, DARTS up the sideline with the wideout running a streak.

[Tomachek]

13 minutes ago, big2033 said:

 

Watch other QBs. Then watch Mariota. Seriously, do this as much as humanly possible. If you can't see a huge difference I don't know what to tell you.

 

Watch the entire MNF game tonight and watch how those QBs operate. You're going to see numerous instances of QBs dodging sacks and maneuvering the pocket.

 

You're also going to see darts up the sideline. Not lofts to the sideline, DARTS up the sideline with the wideout running a streak.

 

How many times did Josh Allen have all day to just sit in the pocket? Now compare that to the pressure Mariota faces against the Bills. I'll wait.

[Tomachek]

41 minutes ago, JoelinBellevue said:

 

Live in your dream world. This team has little faith in Mariota and are sick of the kid gloves treatment. No one wants to go to war with him. This team knows he will never take us anywhere. It's laughable you say he's improving. This is his 5th year in the NFL and he's improving? LMAO. So in 5 more years he will be a good QB? You are so naive. He is what he is. A QB with limited ability, a slow mind and unable to react fast. No amount of coaching will improve that. Only putting in a limited amount of plays he can actually manage to accomplish to mask his flaws has helped him get this far. Top tier QBs deal with drops, missed FGs, holding calls, etc. every game. Goes with the territory. The good ones overcome it.

 

So explain why the Organization hasn't turn to Tannehill?  Even if/when they make the switch, I bet we see similar results.

[big2033]

Just now, Tomachek said:

 

How many times did Josh Allen have all day to just sit in the pocket? Now compare that to the pressure Mariota faces against the Bills. I'll wait.

 

Josh Allen took four sacks compared to Mariota's five. He isn't good either. The difference is he has the arm strength and the balls to at least force passes up the sideline to make defenses pay.

 

Mariota doesn't help his line and at best will throw midway up the middle of the field.

 

Then there's this:

 

 

Two things:

 

1. Once again, Mariota is graded to take too many sacks. No surprised.

 

2.Odd how a big signing like Safford all the sudden can't block? It's almost like his QB must've helped him out previously?

 

3. Mariota's knock coming out was his innate ability to see the rush and take sacks he shouldn't take. That's why he "doesn't have time." He is the worst scrambler despite his straight-line speed and the worst in the pocket. I dare you to name someone worse.

 

Go watch Russel Wilson and what he does versus pressure. Actually again, go watch any other QB.

[Tomachek]

2 minutes ago, big2033 said:

 

Josh Allen took four sacks compared to Mariota's five. He isn't good either. The difference is he has the arm strength and the balls to at least force passes up the sideline to make defenses pay.

 

Mariota doesn't help his line and at best will throw midway up the middle of the field.

 

Then there's this:

 

 

Two things:

 

1. Once again, Mariota is graded to take too many sacks. No surprised.

 

2.Odd how a big signing like Safford all the sudden can't block? It's almost like his QB must've helped him out previously?

 

3. Mariota's knock coming out was his innate ability to see the rush and take sacks he shouldn't take. That's why he "doesn't have time." He is the worst scrambler despite his straight-line speed and the worst in the pocket. I dare you to name someone worse.

 

Go watch Russel Wilson and what he does versus pressure. Actually again, go watch any other QB.

 

I'm not arguing that Mariota is the perfect Quarterback, but putting the blame entire blame for our offensive woes is insane.  The offense as a whole is trash.  I wish they would put Tannehill in just so we can see the same results.

 

Luke Falk is way worst at alluding rushers btw

 

 

[big2033]

11 minutes ago, Tomachek said:

 

I'm not arguing that Mariota is the perfect Quarterback, but putting the blame entire blame for our offensive woes is insane.  The offense as a whole is trash.  I wish they would put Tannehill in just so we can see the same results.

 

Luke Falk is way worst at alluding rushers btw

 

 

 

This is the useless fallback.

 

He doesn't have to be perfect. He has to above average or it erodes our offense. The Packers don't have a lot of talent on offense, you realize that right? But the QB elevates them. Mariota needs the team to elevate him to be average.

 

A QB elevating the talent around him is what's needed in the NFL, or little mistakes cost you wins because every game has to go by a certain formula:

 

Run effectively + rely on defense + convert third downs + burn clock = 17-10 victory.

 

AKA "Fisherball" it can win you games but the margin for error is small.

 

And if Luke Falk, who is only starting because of injury, is the only name you can come up with it completely proves my point. I know you think it's fine but an offense can't operate effectively with a QB with ZERO scrambling ability unless he can't diagnose things before they happen and make defenses pay.

 

I don't think Tannehill is much better either. I just think Mariota isn't our QBoF and it's obvious. I don't care about Tannehill, I knew this season was lost before it started. We're wasting a lot of talent on marginal QB play.

 

So all this talk about the other shit is useless because you can't really judge anything with this QB. 

[Titans279]

My guess is we won't see Tannehill unless Mariota gets injured or we're eliminated from the playoffs and it becomes clear we're not extending him.

 

The board is really going to start freaking out the longer we go without moving to Tannehill though because so many assume we're not extending him.

 

I think there's a decent chance he gets a lower tier extension (or franchised) if he stays healthy. Teams "commit to"  (i.e. sign to short deals with) garbage QBs all the time. For many that's all that are available.

[big2033]

26 minutes ago, Tomachek said:

 

So explain why the Organization hasn't turn to Tannehill?  Even if/when they make the switch, I bet we see similar results.

 

Mariota's face is everywhere in Nashville. You make a change like that you better be 100% sure Tannehill is better or you better be 100% sure your season is lost.

 

A top pick at QB is an investment.

 

So if you're going to abandon that investment, it's better to make sure you have another waiting in the wings.

[Tomachek]

Just now, big2033 said:

 

This is the useless fall back.

 

He doesn't have to be perfect. He has to above average or it erodes our offense. The Packers don't have a lot of talent on offense, you realize that right? But the QB elevates them.

 

Mariota needs the team to elevate him to be average.

 

And if Luke Falk, who is only starting because of injury, is the only name you can come up with it completely proves my point. 

 

I don't think Tannehill is great either. I just think Mariota isn't our QBoF and it's obvious. I don't care about Tannehill, I knew this season was lost before it started. We're wasting a lot of talent on marginal QB play.

 

The problem with posters like you, is you hear one thing only.  I obviously know Mariota isn't the answer, and I been on record for years to draft another Quarterback.  I'm NOT CLAMORING for a long-term extension, I'm simply stating he isn't our only issue on offense.  Mariota is being the scapegoat for every offensive deficiency though, which I DON'T think is the case.  Like I said start Tannehill and I bet we don't see drastic change to the offense because of the other GLARING issues.  

[big2033]

8 minutes ago, Tomachek said:

 

The problem with posters like you, is you hear one thing only.  I obviously know Mariota isn't the answer, and I been on record for years to draft another Quarterback.  I'm NOT CLAMORING for a long-term extension, I'm simply stating he isn't our only issue on offense.  Mariota QB is being the scapegoat for every offensive deficiency though, which I DON'T think is the case.  Like I said start Tannehill and I bet we don't see drastic change to the offense because of the other GLARING issues.  

 

It's starts with the quarterback. You can't judge our issues properly without a QB that will elevate those around him.

 

Tannehill is a backup for a reason. He's going to have the same issues just in different ways. He sucks. So I don't know what you're trying to prove there. Blaine Gabbert being shit doesn't make Mariota good.

 

And that's the problem, the fact that these two can't overcome that like other starters tells us enough.

 

@Tomachek there's no line in the league that's going to block every leak, there's no wideout that will catch every pass and there's no kicker that will make every field goal. What you hope is that the most important position on the field can mask those mistakes when they arise.

 

Wilson does it, Brady does it, even Mayfield and Garrapolo do it. Mariota does not, so everyone looks worse than they are just like Wilson makes everyone look better than they are.

 

So does the rest of the offense have issues? Yes, but those issues should create a scenario where we say, "man our franchise QB is carrying us out there."

 

You're trying to tell us our house has leaks when the foundation is fucked. Who gives a shit about the leak if the house is going to sink anyway?

 

[NashvilleNinja]

1 hour ago, Jonboy said:

 

Oh, trust me...I don't.

 

Liar.

[Tomachek]

9 minutes ago, big2033 said:

 

It's starts with the quarterback. You can't judge our issues properly without a QB that will elevate those around him.

 

Tannehill is a backup for a reason. He's going to have the same issues just in different ways. He sucks. So I don't know what you're trying to prove there. Blaine Gabbert being shit doesn't make Mariota good.

 

And that's the problem, the fact that these two can't overcome that like other starters do tells us enough.

 

@Tomachek there's no line in the league that's going to block every leak, there's no wideout that will catch every pass and there's no kicker that will make every field goal. What you hope is that the most important position on the field can mask those mistakes when they arise.

 

Wilson does it, Brady does it, even Mayfield and Garrapolo do it. Mariota does not, so everyone looks worse than they are just like Wilson makes everyone look better than they are.

 

So does the rest of the offense have issues? Yes, but those issues should create a scenario where we say, "man our franchise QB is carrying us out there." 

 

 

3 drives were stalled because of easy catches dropped.  A touchdown was waived because of a holding call.  12 points were left off the boards due to miss FG's.  We knew the game was going to be a defensive slug fest.  Those are pretty big mistakes on 5 different players out of Mariota control when we knew how this game was going to play out before it even started.  You are seriously calling for perfect Quarterback play on every single play.  Please tell me is Mariota suppose to make those kicks? Block for himself? Catch those easy passes?  The fact is the next guy is going to inherit this offense, and it's trash.  

[big2033]

9 minutes ago, Tomachek said:

 

3 drives were stalled because of easy catches dropped.  A touchdown was waived because of a holding call.  12 points were left off the boards due to miss FG's.  We knew the game was going to be a defensive slug fest.  Those are pretty big mistakes on 5 different players out of Mariota control when we knew how this game was going to play out before it even started.  You are seriously calling for perfect Quarterback play on every single play.  Please tell me is Mariota suppose to make those kicks? Block for himself? Catch those easy passes?  The fact is the next guy is going to inherit this offense, and it's trash.  

 

Our drives stall because our margin for error is low. When you methodically make your way up the field with 10 yard passes over the middle you can't have any mistakes. Whereas when you have a QB that can routinely make teams pay downfield those mistakes don't matter.

 

We literally play into a defensive, bend but don't break mentality. Our QB is so conservative that eventually the law of averages (an error) will be back breaking.

 

We have to run on early downs because our QB is helter skelter with his passes - and we can't be left in third and long because he'll rarely make that play. And when we run play action our QB will take the safer play and rarely stretch the field to the sideline.

 

So, a dropped pass on the third, 3rd down conversion on a drive looks like a big mistake, especially since it took so many conversions just to get 20+ yards up the field.

 

Meanwhile, a QB like Mahomes would already have his offense 50 yards down field. Mistakes and drops are an afterthought.

 

DeShaun Watson has dropped passes and three and outs and bad sacks. But when he makes you pay, he makes you pay. 

 

Mariota makes the margin for error low because he doesn't make you pay.

 

 

[oldschool]

6 minutes ago, big2033 said:

 

Our drives stall because our margin for error is low. When you methodically make your way up the field with 10 yard passes over the middle you can't have any mistakes. Whereas when you have a QB that can routinely make teams pay downfield those mistakes don't matter.

 

We literally play into a defensive, bend but don't break mentality. Our QB is so conservative that eventually the law of averages (an error) will be back breaking.

 

We have to run on early downs because our QB is helter skelter with his passes - and we can't be left in third and long because he'll rarely make that play. And when we run play action our QB will take the safer play and rarely stretch the field to the sideline.

 

So, a dropped pass on the third, 3rd down conversion on a drive looks like a big mistake, especially since it took so many conversions just to get 20+ yards up the field.

 

Meanwhile, a QB like Mahomes would already have his offense 50 yards down field. Mistakes and drops are an afterthought.

 

DeShaun Watson has dropped passes and three and outs and bad sacks. But when he makes you pay, he makes you pay. 

 

Mariota makes the margin for error low because he doesn't make you pay.

 

 

 

Big spittin' the truth today and it hurts....