Jobs boom favors Democratic counties, not Trump strongholds

['Nator]

 

[Legaltitan]

Just wait until coal gets going strong again, then you will see Trump country gettin good jobs.

[ctm]

Coal will come back right after we return to typewriters, carbon paper and white out.

[Justafan]

That's the problem with the current political atmosphere and the economy.  The best jobs are being created in large cities, which also happen to be overwhelmingly Democratic.  The areas that are most strongly voting red also happen to be mostly rural, with a low tax base and economies that are in many cases struggling or growing at a much slower pace than the big cities with their larger job market and much bigger tax base.

 

Unfortunately, the people who live in those areas, because of the way our voting system works, have votes that count more than the vote of the people who live in the cities and so it screws everything up.

 

I don't think the answer is necessarily going to a popular vote as I do believe in the power of factions and a tyranny of the majority and I don't pretend to have all the answers but there has to be something better than what we are doing now which is squandering wealth and opportunity and running our country right into the ground based on the ego's of those "left behind".  

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Justafan said:

That's the problem with the current political atmosphere and the economy.  The best jobs are being created in large cities, which also happen to be overwhelmingly Democratic.  The areas that are most strongly voting red also happen to be mostly rural, with a low tax base and economies that are in many cases struggling or growing at a much slower pace than the big cities with their larger job market and much bigger tax base.

 

Unfortunately, the people who live in those areas, because of the way our voting system works, have votes that count more than the vote of the people who live in the cities and so it screws everything up.

 

I don't think the answer is necessarily going to a popular vote as I do believe in the power of factions and a tyranny of the majority and I don't pretend to have all the answers but there has to be something better than what we are doing now which is squandering wealth and opportunity and running our country right into the ground based on the ego's of those "left behind".  

Those who are being "left behind" are being played like an ideological fiddle. They have empowered the ultimate guy who is in it for himself, learning nothing from any of our recent economic situations. As long as minorities and poor people using social services don't get shit to eat, they don't care how much of their own dinner they give to their overlords. 

 

It's pathetic. 

[Pragidealist]

Also - https://politicalwire.com/2018/08/07/study-finds-trumps-base-is-weaker-than-it-seems/

 

[Legaltitan]

To the extent people have been "left behind" it is no different than what has happened 100 times throughout the history of the world. Every country has had multiple periods where the economy transitions and people have to move to the city to work. Hell my wife's family is a good example. She is from nowhere's ville South Carolina. They had a nice house in the country. But her parents wanted to elevate the family, so they moved to Nashville when she was young. Her dad is blue collar only - worked at a cement plant and other jobs later on. Her mom taught daycare kids. Classic middle class - really, lower middle class. But they made the right choice and bettered their lot.

 

Now I know it isn't easy, and I know there are tons of barriers to moving from the country to the city for work. But countless people have done it, and it is the kind of thing that has happened over and over in every country in the world as it modernizes. When did rural folks in America become such snowflakes and whiners? Not all of them of course, but enough to where it changed the course of politics.

 

Wah, there's no jobs out here and no one cares about us. Well, first of all it isn't true no one cares. But we have limited resources in the country, and those recources generally go to where they are most productive. And that ain't in rural America. Or at least not all of it. There are always winners and losers in a transitioning economy. And you can either do something about it or not.

['Nator]

1 hour ago, Legaltitan said:

To the extent people have been "left behind" it is no different than what has happened 100 times throughout the history of the world. Every country has had multiple periods where the economy transitions and people have to move to the city to work. Hell my wife's family is a good example. She is from nowhere's ville South Carolina. They had a nice house in the country. But her parents wanted to elevate the family, so they moved to Nashville when she was young. Her dad is blue collar only - worked at a cement plant and other jobs later on. Her mom taught daycare kids. Classic middle class - really, lower middle class. But they made the right choice and bettered their lot.

 

Now I know it isn't easy, and I know there are tons of barriers to moving from the country to the city for work. But countless people have done it, and it is the kind of thing that has happened over and over in every country in the world as it modernizes. When did rural folks in America become such snowflakes and whiners? Not all of them of course, but enough to where it changed the course of politics.

 

Wah, there's no jobs out here and no one cares about us. Well, first of all it isn't true no one cares. But we have limited resources in the country, and those recources generally go to where they are most productive. And that ain't in rural America. Or at least not all of it. There are always winners and losers in a transitioning economy. And you can either do something about it or not.

Oh listen to the old timers talk about "WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO NASHVILLE?" and how they would never live near the city today.

 

I just read a book about one of Nashville's most famous murders. 

 

The downtown area, specifically Broadway was a crime ridden, vice ridden cesspool (sounded fun, actually). There were porn movie theaters on Broadway starting in the early 70s. 

 

One big problem is old fucks remembering the "good old days". Some of it is selective memory. Some of it was that things were bad but they were just oblivious to it. 

 

Starting in the 2000s, violent crime all across the country started hitting all time lows. When you hear some dumb shit politician fear mongering about murder rates going up 28% or something, they are counting that from an all time low point a few years back. 

 

It's the best, safest time to be alive. It all happened during the Obama years btw. 

 

Yet old country fucks are still terrified of urban areas. Even though they are becoming whiter and more homogenized. 

['Nator]

3 minutes ago, JakePA_Titan said:

Lmao. Just because its happening more in democratoc counties doesnt mean the dems are responsoble.

 

Trying to diminish the increased jobs.

 

Some of yall are pitiful.

The point is he isn't helping the people that voted for him. 

['Nator]

42 minutes ago, JakePA_Titan said:

So just because a county was blue means he didnt have supporters there? More liberal logic, I guess....

 

Because jobs are coming back to more populated areas.....first.....means they won't come back to the red counties that are a little less populated at some point? More liberal logic, I guess.....

 

Stay tuned!

 

Again, 6 months ago, yall laughed because it wasn't happening. Now it is, but of course, another way to put it down.

 

Such a shame.

 

Remember, we voted Trump because we felt it was better for the COUNTRY, not just us. We dont vote with just ourselves in mind like pos libs. But believe the "we voted for him because we are racist" BS. Shit like this is WHY we did vote for him. 

 

Just like big2033. If it doesnt impact him, he dont care. Pitiful. Im glad and happy jobs are coming back, even in what ppl consider non Trump supporter counties.

 

#Winning

#MAGA

 

For you to think its a "loss" for Trump suppprters shows yall truly dont understand why we voted for him. Laughable.

The point: 

 

 

[Mythos27]

It'll trickle down to them any day now...

[MadMax]

1 hour ago, JakePA_Titan said:

 Neither did Obama....But of course, Obama had 8 years, Trump has had just under 2.

 

Oops, I know, cant go there....lmao

 

I voted for him and I assure you, the stimulus program helped me and my family.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, JakePA_Titan said:

5 months ago yall were saying he wasnt holding up his promises of bringing jobs back.

 

Now they are coming back, but his supporters were being played like a fiddle? Lol how rich.

 

Lmao fucking morons. Doesnt matter where it happens. The fact is that it IS happening.

 

But of course.

 

TWIST TWIST TWIST

 

DIMINISH DIMINISH DIMINISH

Try again, buddy. You'll never catch me having made any kind of argument as simple as it being about jobs being gone in the first place. Trump's oversimplified appeal about bringing jobs back to me was always a rhetorical distraction, not a promise. We can't look at the economy or jobs in such an oversimplified way that we take everything out of context. 

 

So my point stands--Republicans run their states into the ground and Trump is doing the same with the country. It's not all of them--some are doing a decent job, but the fact remains that many  of them are united in taking all the resources we have and could develop and funneling those upwards without shame. 

[Justafan]

2 hours ago, JakePA_Titan said:

So just because a county was blue means he didnt have supporters there? More liberal logic, I guess....

 

Because jobs are coming back to more populated areas.....first.....means they won't come back to the red counties that are a little less populated at some point? More liberal logic, I guess.....

 

Stay tuned!

 

Again, 6 months ago, yall laughed because it wasn't happening. Now it is, but of course, another way to put it down.

 

Such a shame.

 

Remember, we voted Trump because we felt it was better for the COUNTRY, not just us. We dont vote with just ourselves in mind like pos libs. But believe the "we voted for him because we are racist" BS. Shit like this is WHY we did vote for him. 

 

Just like big2033. If it doesnt impact him, he dont care. Pitiful. Im glad and happy jobs are coming back, even in what ppl consider non Trump supporter counties.

 

#Winning

#MAGA

 

For you to think its a "loss" for Trump suppprters shows yall truly dont understand why we voted for him. Laughable.

For what it's worth Jake, I hope you're right and I'm wrong.  I hope the jobs do come back to red states and Trump, through it all, manages to improve the lives of millions of people.  Increased prosperity is probably the fastest way to reduce the division and improve the long-term outlook for our kids.  If Trump truly manages to turn things around, in spite of it all, I will take back every bad thing I ever said about him.  

[Justafan]

6 minutes ago, Soxcat said:

This is the most bull shit grabbing at straws retardness I have ever seen.  If anything this proves Trump should be gathering more support than losing it.  People who held onto the Democratic lies for years are starting to prosper under Trump.  How the hell is that a negative for Trump?  Geeee, I bet these people want to go back to the great years under Obama where they could get food stamps instead of  jobs. 

Who is prospering that would not have been without Trump?  That, I suppose is the real question to me.  I don't think Trump has done anything to really affect things (Policy-wise), good or bad, all that much.  I could probably say the same about Obama as well.  The truth is, the President does a lot while doing very little in most cases.