Titansgoodluckcharm Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Justafan said: The guy wore socks depicting police officers as pigs, a t-shirt praising Fidel Castro, and he made a deliberate attempt to disrespect the flag AFTER he just happened to be benched. Sorry, you're going to have a hard time convincing intelligent Americans that this started as anything more than a selfish, entitled douchebag craving attention. It morphed, and I understand the frustration of players and I'm sympathetic to those in the black and African American communities but that doesn't mean the only way to show your frustration is to disrespect the military. Yes, there are military members that have endorsed this and are completely okay with this. There also thousands who have publicly said this is not okay and they are offended by it. I am telling you that I personally take offense and I know of many others in the military who feel the same way. That doesn't mean I advocate for Trump or that I want police corruption to persist or that I don't think justice reform is needed. I would absolutely support a more fair justice system, I support investing in minority communities and increasing diversity. I also support holding police accountable for their actions. So it's pretty funny to me when people like @Jamalisms tell me that my values are misplaced or that people in here tell me that I'm a closed minded bigot when they assume so much and take no time to understand any position other than their own. A lot of people showed their tale in this thread. Good luck to you all but this type of rhetoric is damaging to the conversation itself and divides us further and damages the cause you support instead of strengthing it. You legitimize men like Trump and the truly racist supporters by lumping everyone who supports the flag into the same category and failing to see this from any other perspective than your own. I thought I could come in here and connect with people on a controversial subject and I can see now that I was wrong. I'm saddened and disappointed by that. You're a liar. You've never been sympathetic to this issue or the "african american" community. .You've been as bad as Trump. And at this point, they way you're endangering Americans. Fuck your service. There I said it. You could've done more fighting here in your own country without a gun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titansgoodluckcharm Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 Lots of people have risked their lives and lost them building this great country. Lots of people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titansgoodluckcharm Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Justafan said: I’ve spent the last fifteen years in the military. The flag and the anthem are sacred to me and not just because of my service. It is a representation of the respect for those who have died. Good men who were my friends. Also, it’s sacred to my socialization and upbringing. Oh blah blah blah. Fuck you and your fake patriotism. Hope it offends you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 39 minutes ago, Justafan said: You’re missing the point on purpose Absolutely not. I'm repeating my own point in another way for you. I'm pointing out that your relationship with the flag - completely understandable and valid - doesn't invalidate theirs. Feeling unprotected and unequal in this country is a natural result of the fact that many are unprotected and unequal. Associating that with the flag in a respectful manner (kneeling is respectful generally and was specifically chosen as a respectful gesture after consultation with a vet) that seeks to call attention to how we aren't living up to the values our flag represents is not only valid ... it's entirely understandable such that empathy demands a subjugation of your ego and a promotion of flexibility. They're not saying you can't respect the flag. They're not invalidating you. But you're invalidating them. And when their experiences can be analyzed and assessed as reasonable - they can and they are - and their protest is peaceable ... then a fair assessment of the issue is that you are the source of this dispute (your personal frustration and emotions felt) and you're projecting blame unfairly. Own your emotions and be honest with yourself. ... and that you use socks as justification for yourself is unfortunate. Socks don't render their perspective and these protests invalid. Please reassess how your own biases are manifesting here. You've been fomented and manipulated and (I think) you're blind to it. Which can be construed as condescension if you need to, but it's a very open and honest response. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titansgoodluckcharm Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Are you really this dumb? You've acted "so offended" this entire time but apparently weren't offended by the police. Hypocrite. Symbolic vs Real is having a real time fight and its time for you fake bitches to learn something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Are you really this dumb? Sure. Thanks for the chat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 30 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: Sure. Thanks for the chat. You aren’t even engaging in the dialogue. You ever have your friends killed in combat right next to you? This isn’t even appeal to emotion. You haven’t. Justafan has. He has his reasons for not appreciating the manner of the protest. Stop being a dick about it and join the conversation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titansgoodluckcharm Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: You aren’t even engaging in the dialogue. You ever have your friends killed in combat right next to you? This isn’t even appeal to emotion. You haven’t. Justafan has. He has his reasons for not appreciating the manner of the protest. Stop being a dick about it and join the conversation. I've seen activist killed on Facebook live and saw people getting shot growing up. And many of these people fighting for justice have seen the same thing. In an ironic kinda way its all related. You ever heard of MLK? John F Kennedy? Malcolm X?? What percentage of activists have been killed compared to police? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titansgoodluckcharm Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 Just now, Soxcat said: Wow, what a POS asshole dumbass. You can call me what you want but I'm the asshole protecting American's rights and not wanting Americans getting killed by the state. So fuck your feelings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titansgoodluckcharm Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Soxcat said: Who is getting killed by the State? Sure there are a few bad shootings but your whole attitude is fuck you to anyone else and how they feel. It is all about the color of someone's skin for you and your cause. You will offend and be an asshole no matter what to try and make your point and quite honestly you and your kind can fuck off. The vast majority of police shootings involve a person with a weapon and or a person that has mental problems (1/4 of all shootings involve mental illness). The number of police shootings has been consistent the last three years so no, there has not been a surge of any kind of any significance. Whites make up 50% of police shooting victims, 26% are black (~ double the black population). 18% Hispanic and those ratios have not changed looking back a number of years. But even the 26% black, double their population ratio is explained by overall crime rates and actual population ratios where the shootings took place. "Black males between the ages of 14 and 17 commit gun homicide at nearly 10 times the rate of white and Hispanic male teens combined. Should police stops, arrests and those rare police shootings nevertheless mirror population ratios, rather than crime ratios?" https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/07/18/police-shootings-and-race/?utm_term=.e20ffdc77489 So not only are you a racist you are a dumbass and your cause, that is offending people who fought for this country, isn't even viable. It is "trumped" up. It is fake. You spend all your time and effort playing a fool. An idiot of idiots. As far as I'm concerned your kind is exactly what is wrong with this country. Fewer of you and your single digit IQ would be benefit this country greatly. Did you not just read the other poster's story? What does that have to do about race? What do you not understand about Constitutional rights? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titansgoodluckcharm Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 If these people actually read the fucking Constitution and believed in what this country was supposed to stand for they'd see exactly how unpatriotic they're being. The irony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Karkosa said: I’m just wondering how many of you opposers of the anthem protest actually said something to people walking around, on their cell phones, coming from or going to the concession stand.. This issue only became so important to you guys after the president and media got a hold of it.. that’s why you guys are hypocritical as hell... YOU WERE TOLD TO BE OFFENDED, BY MEN MAKING A STANCE FOR THEIR COMMUNITIES... AND THATS THE REASON MOST OF YOU ARE OFFENDED!! Come on. That's not close to true. People, including myself, had an immediate negative reaction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 @Jamalisms don't like equating @Justafan's "I am offended" with @Soxcat's "I must not be offended and you must change" The former is reasonable and the later deserves mocking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Jamalisms said: Absolutely not. I'm repeating my own point in another way for you. I'm pointing out that your relationship with the flag - completely understandable and valid - doesn't invalidate theirs. Feeling unprotected and unequal in this country is a natural result of the fact that many are unprotected and unequal. Associating that with the flag in a respectful manner (kneeling is respectful generally and was specifically chosen as a respectful gesture after consultation with a vet) that seeks to call attention to how we aren't living up to the values our flag represents is not only valid ... it's entirely understandable such that empathy demands a subjugation of your ego and a promotion of flexibility. They're not saying you can't respect the flag. They're not invalidating you. But you're invalidating them. And when their experiences can be analyzed and assessed as reasonable - they can and they are - and their protest is peaceable ... then a fair assessment of the issue is that you are the source of this dispute (your personal frustration and emotions felt) and you're projecting blame unfairly. Own your emotions and be honest with yourself. ... and that you use socks as justification for yourself is unfortunate. Socks don't render their perspective and these protests invalid. Please reassess how your own biases are manifesting here. You've been fomented and manipulated and (I think) you're blind to it. Which can be construed as condescension if you need to, but it's a very open and honest response. I appreciate your response. Let me just say that I'm not trying to invalidate anyone else's point of view, I'm simply stating my own from my perspective. I can only speak for myself and so I understand that I have walked a wire and that's on purpose. Me finding the act reprehensible is not the same as saying their point of view is invalid. I've tried to communicate that and perhaps I've failed. I appreciate the response but I think we're firing across one another's bows here and making little progress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titansgoodluckcharm Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 26 minutes ago, Justafan said: I appreciate your response. Let me just say that I'm not trying to invalidate anyone else's point of view, I'm simply stating my own from my perspective. I can only speak for myself and so I understand that I have walked a wire and that's on purpose. Me finding the act reprehensible is not the same as saying their point of view is invalid. I've tried to communicate that and perhaps I've failed. I appreciate the response but I think we're firing across one another's bows here and making little progress. So basically you're an enabler and your "service" was bullshit. You forgot the basics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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