Conklin PFF’s top grades tackle for week 16

[Mythos27]

2 hours ago, oldschool said:

It's not even close at this point. Bosa is a stud Pass rusher which trumps all except for a franchise QB. I'm disappointed posters like Mythos actually believe Conklin is a difference maker. 

Of course I believe he's a difference maker. We can literally see the difference he helped make as we went from a below average O-line to an elite one in literally one season. Pass rusher may be the second most important position in the game to QB but let's not pretend like it's a particularly close second. Chandler Jones is the NFL's sack leader and his team is 7-8, Demarcus Lawrence is #3 and his team is 8-7, Bosa's team is 8-7 why aren't these guys willing their teams to victory with that all-important pass rush? It's a team game and as the Herschel Walker trade should've taught people, you don't mortgage your future for one guy.  Without Conk, Mariota would be under even more duress, getting his shit pushed in every game, and likely ends up on IR, like he did before we drafted Conklin. WHat good do Bosa's sacks do us if the literally most important player on our team can't stay upright?

[oldschool]

11 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

Of course I believe he's a difference maker. We can literally see the difference he helped make as we went from a below average O-line to an elite one in literally one season. Pass rusher may be the second most important position in the game to QB but let's not pretend like it's a particularly close second. Chandler Jones is the NFL's sack leader and his team is 7-8, Demarcus Lawrence is #3 and his team is 8-7, Bosa's team is 8-7 why aren't these guys willing their teams to victory with that all-important pass rush? It's a team game and as the Herschel Walker trade should've taught people, you don't mortgage your future for one guy.  Without Conk, Mariota would be under even more duress, getting his shit pushed in every game, and likely ends up on IR, like he did before we drafted Conklin. WHat good do Bosa's sacks do us if the literally most important player on our team can't stay upright?

Conklin recieves more help than any RT and the Titans in general help their OL by keeping TEs and RBs in to help block. You are acting like Conklin stonewalls elite pass rushers one on one every game. Hes a good player but RT is way down the list of important positions.

[gaskill15]

4 minutes ago, oldschool said:

Conklin recieves more help than any RT and the Titans in general help their OL by keeping TEs and RBs in to help block. You are acting like Conklin stonewalls elite pass rushers one on one every game. Hes a good player but RT is way down the list of important positions.

Many elite pass rushers have had very minimal numbers against Conklin. Help or not. 

[Mythos27]

Just now, oldschool said:

Conklin recieves more help than any RT and the Titans in general help their OL by keeping TEs and RBs in to help block. You are acting like Conklin stonewalls elite pass rushers one on one every game. Hes a good player but RT is way down the list of important positions.

Plug Jeremiah Poutassi in at RT and I bet you're singing a different tune. You say this as if any RT can just step right in and keep Marcus just as safe as Jack has. That's absurd. But again, if Joey Bosa is this be all end all, then why hasn't his sack production resulted in wins despite playing on a much more talented team.  You want to talk about help?  Bosa gets to rush the passer in front of the #3 ranked pass defense in the league. I wonder how many coverage sacks I'd find if I looked at his film. What makes you think he'd be just as effective playing in front of our #25 ranked defense? 

 

Also, this isn't a question of Bosa for Conklin straight up. Which is definitely a worthy discussion. This is Bosa for all the players we got from the trade down that made Bosa unavailable to us. I'm sorry but I'm not trading Corey Davis, Conklin, Austin Johnson, Derrick Henry, Jonnu Smith, and Leshaun Sims for just Joey Bosa. Every single one of those guys has either started for us or plays a key role in our roster. Remember that without the ability to draft those players we likely have much worse players (late picks/UDFAs) manning those spots, thus making the team as a whole much shittier and as it is we barely have sufficient talent. I'm sorry but trading this many integral players for a non-QB is insanity. Football will always be a team game.

[Mythos27]

22 minutes ago, gaskill15 said:

Many elite pass rushers have had very minimal numbers against Conklin. Help or not. 

We blanked Bosa when we played the Chargers. The refs didn't say "no fair, here you go Joey, you take this free sack". 

[oldschool]

1 minute ago, Mythos27 said:

Plug Jeremiah Poutassi in at RT and I bet you're singing a different tune. You say this as if any RT can just step right in and keep Marcus just as safe as Jack has. That's absurd. But again, if Joey Bosa is this be all end all, then why hasn't his sack production resulted in wins despite playing on a much more talented team.  You want to talk about help?  Bosa gets to rush the passer in front of the #3 ranked pass defense in the league. I wonder how many coverage sacks I'd find if I looked at his film. What makes you think he'd be just as effective playing in front of our #25 ranked defense? 

 

Also, this isn't a question of Bosa for Conklin straight up. Which is definitely a worthy discussion. This is Bosa for all the players we got from the trade down that made Bosa unavailable to us. I'm sorry but I'm not trading Corey Davis, Conklin, Austin Johnson, Derrick Henry, Jonnu Smith, and Leshaun Sims for just Joey Bosa. Every single one of those guys has either started for us or plays a key role in our roster. Remember that without the ability to draft those players we likely have much worse players (late picks/UDFAs) manning those spots, thus making the team as a whole much shittier and as it is we barely have sufficient talent. I'm sorry but trading this many integral players for a non-QB is insanity. Football will always be a team game.

Lol. So Bosa doesn't contribute to the #3 ranking? Hes a huge part of that defense. 

 

Conklin - good player

Henry - talented but likely a part timer

Smith - dont make me laugh

Sims - jag

Johnson - lol

Davis - he's the key. Has to turn into a top flight WR to make passing on Bosa okay

[gaskill15]

I could be wrong but I feel like Austin Johnson has played pretty well the past few games since DQJ went down. 

[OILERMAN]

9 hours ago, Face said:

That said, Conklin is starting to play like last year. If Davis becomes a star it's a different story. 

I don't care if Conklin is the best RT in the league and Davis turns into Julio Jones. 

 

Premier edge rushers are so important it would still trump a RT and WR. 

[tgo]

12 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

I don't care if Conklin is the best RT in the league and Davis turns into Julio Jones. 

 

Premier edge rushers are so important it would still trump a RT and WR. 

But what if you end up with Conklin as one of the best RTs in the game, Davis as a premier WR, Henry as your lead back, Sims as a good starter, and Austin Johnson as a good starting 5 technique in the end. 

 

That’s nearly a quarter of your starting team. 

[OILERMAN]

8 minutes ago, tgo said:

But what if you end up with Conklin as one of the best RTs in the game, Davis as a premier WR, Henry as your lead back, Sims as a good starter, and Austin Johnson as a good starting 5 technique in the end. 

 

That’s nearly a quarter of your starting team. 

I'd take Bosa

[Mythos27]

28 minutes ago, oldschool said:

Lol. So Bosa doesn't contribute to the #3 ranking? Hes a huge part of that defense. 

 

Conklin - good player

Henry - talented but likely a part timer

Smith - dont make me laugh

Sims - jag

Johnson - lol

Davis - he's the key. Has to turn into a top flight WR to make passing on Bosa okay

I'm sure he does contribute to that rating but you speak as though he would be just as good  if he had our pass D behind him and you and I both know that's not the case. Would he make us somewhat better? Sure, maybe we're the #20th ranked pass D instead of #25.  Also, remember he's not the only player out there generating sacks and pressures. Melvin Ingram has really come on this season and trails Bosa by all of 1.5 sacks. Let's no behave as though Bosa would bring to our defense the same impact that both he and Ingram combined have brought to the Chargers.

 

You did the easy part in dismissing our players but now do the hard part. We don't do the trade and draft Bosa. Which late round picks and UDFAs areplaying in all those spots? Are we better off or worse off? You severely under-estimate the value of having a solid overall roster with few holes in it. It's not all pass rushers and splash players. 

 

[tgo]

2 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

I'd take Bosa

I mean, it’s close man. 

[Mythos27]

22 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

I don't care if Conklin is the best RT in the league and Davis turns into Julio Jones. 

 

Premier edge rushers are so important it would still trump a RT and WR. 

Good luck continuously going .500 as your franchise QB gets advanced CTE by age 27 because no one is protecting him and he has no one to throw to.

[japan]

1 hour ago, oldschool said:

Conklin recieves more help than any RT and the Titans in general help their OL by keeping TEs and RBs in to help block. You are acting like Conklin stonewalls elite pass rushers one on one every game. Hes a good player but RT is way down the list of important positions.

Is this true? This year?

[tgo]

1 minute ago, japan said:

Is this true? This year?

Lewan and Conklin both get more help than any other tackles.