President Trump - Witness Tampering

[IsntLifeFunny]

3 minutes ago, Justafan said:

You knew what he was saying.  Isn't this nitpicking and twisting of words the very thing that conservatives have been complaining about?  One of the few legitimate gripes happening in Washington.  

 

They have a majority in Congress in both the House and the Senate.  They have their guy in the White House.  They nominated their guy to the Supreme Court which shifts the balance of power to the conservative side.

 

There is no excuse to not pass their legislation.  That is the point that was being made and when you guys resort to this sort of stuff in an effort to derail it without any actual substantive counterargument, you simply strengthen the argument and it looks a lot like small-mindedness and petty revenge.

 

If you have a counterpoint to that, great.  If not, maybe this isn't the best tact to make your point.  

His posts are cringeworthy. He’s talking down to Oz, one of the smartest guys on our forum, for zero reason in the attempts at a gotcha over a simple misnomer. 

[TitanDuckFan]

54 minutes ago, Justafan said:

You knew what he was saying.  Isn't this nitpicking and twisting of words the very thing that conservatives have been complaining about?  One of the few legitimate gripes happening in Washington.  

 

They have a majority in Congress in both the House and the Senate.  They have their guy in the White House.  They nominated their guy to the Supreme Court which shifts the balance of power to the conservative side.

 

There is no excuse to not pass their legislation.  That is the point that was being made and when you guys resort to this sort of stuff in an effort to derail it without any actual substantive counterargument, you simply strengthen the argument and it looks a lot like small-mindedness and petty revenge.

 

If you have a counterpoint to that, great.  If not, maybe this isn't the best tact to make your point.  

If you think, even for a heartbeat mainstream Republicans are aligned with Trump, then you really do have a bent view of American politics, or you just don't understand the conservative side AT ALL.

To begin with, the Republicans have been infested with RINOs is the last decade or so, and they are nowhere near supportive of Trump.

And then you have the classic conservative wing of the party, which doesn't trust Trump, and formed the backbone of the "never Trump" movement.

 

To say that "The Republicans" control "all three legislative branches" is erroneous at best, and ignores the reality of the situation.   But from a purely factual standpoint, is just wrong.

 

He said what he said and then an outsider asked why I mocked him for it.  I don't know how much Oz knows about the structure or functions of our various components of government, so I explained it.

If you have a problem with that, tough shit.

And that goes for your sily-assed little friend too.

[Justafan]

9 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said:

If you think, even for a heartbeat mainstream Republicans are aligned with Trump, then you really do have a bent view of American politics, or you just don't understand the conservative side AT ALL.

To begin with, the Republicans have been infested with RINOs is the last decade or so, and they are nowhere near supportive of Trump.

And then you have the classic conservative wing of the party, which doesn't trust Trump, and formed the backbone of the "never Trump" movement.

 

To say that "The Republicans" control "all three legislative branches" is erroneous at best, and ignores the reality of the situation.   But from a purely factual standpoint, is just wrong.

 

He said what he said and then an outsider asked why I mocked him for it.  I don't know how much Oz knows about the structure or functions of our various components of government, so I explained it.

If you have a problem with that, tough shit.

And that goes for your sily-assed little friend too.

Even if they hate each other, they have mutually beneficial goals.  Goals that they have worked together to achieve and have failed time and time again because the party is fractured and dysfunctional.

 

You did a fantastic job of both proving the point and doubling down on the petty small-minded thing at the same time.  So thanks?

[Titanjuicy]

10 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said:

If you think, even for a heartbeat mainstream Republicans are aligned with Trump, then you really do have a bent view of American politics, or you just don't understand the conservative side AT ALL.

To begin with, the Republicans have been infested with RINOs is the last decade or so, and they are nowhere near supportive of Trump.

And then you have the classic conservative wing of the party, which doesn't trust Trump, and formed the backbone of the "never Trump" movement.

 

To say that "The Republicans" control "all three legislative branches" is erroneous at best, and ignores the reality of the situation.   But from a purely factual standpoint, is just wrong.

 

He said what he said and then an outsider asked why I mocked him for it.  I don't know how much Oz knows about the structure or functions of our various components of government, so I explained it.

If you have a problem with that, tough shit.

And that goes for your sily-assed little friend too.

Obviously there are different layers of conservatism in the Republican party. Now out of those different layers, whether Trump, Rinos, classic, or other, which align themselves with the Democratic party? Answer....zero

 

So now you have a President who ran and won as a republican, a republican lead house and senate, and a supreme court that leans right. In other words, all the power.

[TitanDuckFan]

10 minutes ago, Titanjuicy said:

Obviously there are different layers of conservatism in the Republican party. Now out of those different layers, whether Trump, Rinos, classic, or other, which align themselves with the Democratic party? Answer....zero

 

So now you have a President who ran and won as a republican, a republican lead house and senate, and a supreme court that leans right. In other words, all the power.

You must have missed the memo where the "classic" Repubs like Bill Kristol, Jonah Goldberg, John McCain etc. all admitted they voted for hillary.

[Titanjuicy]

Just now, TitanDuckFan said:

You must have missed the memo where the "classic" Repubs like Bill Kristol, Jonah Goldberg, John McCain etc. all admitted they voted for hillary.

Even if true, that is not aligning themselves with democrats. It is refusing to vote for crazy.

[TitanDuckFan]

15 minutes ago, Justafan said:

Even if they hate each other, they have mutually beneficial goals.  Goals that they have worked together to achieve and have failed time and time again because the party is fractured and dysfunctional.

 

You did a fantastic job of both proving the point and doubling down on the petty small-minded thing at the same time.  So thanks?

Can we admit that although Oz is a bright guy he may not know the details of how our government is constructed?

He asked, so I think it was pretty safe to say he wasn't aware that we DON'T have three "legislative branches" of government.

 

If you have a problem with a thorough clarification/explanation, and believe that just because I chose to explain it that way I was being petty, then you're as much of the problem as anyone.

[TitanDuckFan]

5 minutes ago, Titanjuicy said:

Even if true, that is not aligning themselves with democrats. It is refusing to vote for crazy.

And ignoring the wishes of a huge (Yuuuge?) component of your constituency.

Now, if you think that's how this government should be run, we may have discovered your problem.

[Titanjuicy]

Just now, TitanDuckFan said:

And ignoring the wishes of a huge (Yuuuge?) component of your constituency.

Now, if you think that's how this government should be run, we may have discovered your problem.

Well, I do not believe in 100% partisanship if that is what you mean. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

10 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said:

And ignoring the wishes of a huge (Yuuuge?) component of your constituency.

Now, if you think that's how this government should be run, we may have discovered your problem.

Umm the government was set as a Republic for the very reason of tempering democratic tendencies towards totalitarianism. Seeing as you’re such a gun rights advocate who talks down to everyone I figured you would know this. 

[TitanDuckFan]

3 minutes ago, Titanjuicy said:

Well, I do not believe in 100% partisanship if that is what you mean. 

Do you believe that a senator or representative should do their best to fulfill the wishes of their constituents?  The people that sent them to WA DC?

Because that's what every general election should tell the Reps and Senators, including Democrats.

We don't elect them to tell us how to live and think and feel about our government's policies.  We elect them based on our beliefs, ideals, and our situation, and whose ideas about policy we want put forth.

Not to be dictated to, or told we're stupid or "deplorable."

[reo]

1 hour ago, TitanDuckFan said:

If you think, even for a heartbeat mainstream Republicans are aligned with Trump, then you really do have a bent view of American politics, or you just don't understand the conservative side AT ALL.

To begin with, the Republicans have been infested with RINOs is the last decade or so, and they are nowhere near supportive of Trump.

And then you have the classic conservative wing of the party, which doesn't trust Trump, and formed the backbone of the "never Trump" movement.

 

To say that "The Republicans" control "all three legislative branches" is erroneous at best, and ignores the reality of the situation.   But from a purely factual standpoint, is just wrong.

 

He said what he said and then an outsider asked why I mocked him for it.  I don't know how much Oz knows about the structure or functions of our various components of government, so I explained it.

If you have a problem with that, tough shit.

And that goes for your sily-assed little friend too.

Good break down as to why the divisions within the Republican party is to blame for their inability to pass anything. 

[reo]

33 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said:

Do you believe that a senator or representative should do their best to fulfill the wishes of their constituents? 

 

Of course and the republicans are trying to govern from the far right, corporations and the rich so the dems don't vote with them bc it's not what theie constituents want but the more moderate republicans who were voted into office in mixed districts can't vote for either bc it's not what their constituents want.

[OzTitan]

Duck is pretty much correct, I don't know much about the US gov structure. I knew enough to know the Republicans have the power, so to speak. In general I find it best to ask really basic questions in situations like that so "explain it to me as if I were a small child" is fine.

 

It's curious to me though that the fracturing of the Republicans is seen as a legitimate excuse for Trump. In our system or any other I've seen, if a leader can't get the party to get behind their agenda, they are seen as a poor leader and a bad choice by basically everybody. Right now our PM is hanging on by a thread for close to this reason. I get that maybe the whole point of Trump was to never have this support from the "swamp" to begin with, but you can't expect progress in this case - being elected by the people shouldn't award you unchallenged power, especially without a popular majority. The point of being voted into President is you get to work with these branches of Gov, not outright control them.

[reo]

16 minutes ago, OzTitan said:

Duck is pretty much correct, I don't know much about the US gov structure. I knew enough to know the Republicans have the power, so to speak. In general I find it best to ask really basic questions in situations like that so "explain it to me as if I were a small child" is fine.

 

It's curious to me though that the fracturing of the Republicans is seen as a legitimate excuse for Trump. In our system or any other I've seen, if a leader can't get the party to get behind their agenda, they are seen as a poor leader and a bad choice by basically everybody. Right now our PM is hanging on by a thread for close to this reason. I get that maybe the whole point of Trump was to never have this support from the "swamp" to begin with, but you can't expect progress in this case - being elected by the people shouldn't award you unchallenged power, especially without a popular majority. The point of being voted into President is you get to work with these branches of Gov, not outright control them.

The interesting thing to me was that the reasoning seemed to go like this:

 

The Republicans are fractured.

So they don't really have full control.

Therefore it's the Dem's fault.

 

Huh?