scine09 Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Yes, but they were a power run team built on quick play action. Slightly different. Brady was able to throw quickly and use the short passing game to his strength. That's not the case with Mularkey's offense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 33 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: The offense definitely isn't the prototype for a guy like Mariota, but I couldn't disagree more with the idea that you fit your system around what your young QB (especially a full spread guy) is most comfortable with. you dont start a system running what your QB is bad at and ignore what they are good at. you start with what they are good at and you add the other stuff in later. makes the team as a whole better, protects the QB better, improves his confidence and rapport with receivers, allows him to be more confident and efficient in game-winning situations, and everything grows from there. of course you sprinkle in the hard stuff and the stuff they dont get. then the next year you add more and by year three in the system you should have it all in place and can decide what they are now best at. you'll also have a better record, a less injured guy, more confident player, and a guy who has probably won more in crunch time. we'll have to agree to disagree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 39 minutes ago, scine09 said: He played fairly well from what I remember in the playoff game. But in the game he got knocked out in I remember the Titans having I think a 24 point lead and the Steelers scored 2 TD's and 2-point conversions late in the 4th. I can't remember if Maddox had been knocked out before or after. And the other time the Titans beat Maddox it was a blowout. I don't think the Steelers did much offensively that day. he put up yards against us one game. the game he broke his neck was on the first pass attempts. he had a few 300 yard games a huge game against atlanta - 430 and 4 TDs. but the season he started it was 3400 total yards. not bad but not very efficient and a crappt TD/INT ratio. what kind of offense was it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, titanruss said: he put up yards against us one game. the game he broke his neck was on the first pass attempts. he had a few 300 yard games a huge game against atlanta - 430 and 4 TDs. but the season he started it was 3400 total yards. not bad but not very efficient and a crappt TD/INT ratio. what kind of offense was it? I just looked it up. The game that he got injured he was 14/28 for 194 yards, a TD and 3 INT's. In the playoff game he was 21/41 for 266 yards, 2 TD's and an INT. In the game the next year where the Titans won 30-13 he was 31/47 for 332 yards, 0 TD's and 2 INT's. So that's likely the game you're thinking of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 i think marcus is good enough to use the pass game like the run game, spread out with short quick passes. it suits him and he can go middle range when its there and he can even go deep nearly as often as we do now.... and we can do all that to set up the run game. it doesnt have to be the other way around. we waste plays on runs that are there solely to soften the D for a big pass opportunity. do something actually productive with it and proven to get more yards on a per play basis. then you can bust a few runs for bigger gains... voilà... now you can take a few deep shots too. i'm fine with play action... hell, give a tiny half-assed fake every time. you can do it in shotgun without turning around. stats show it works to some degree regardless of where the QB is facing. just the motion holds the DBs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, scine09 said: I just looked it up. The game that he got injured he was 14/28 for 194 yards, a TD and 3 INT's. In the playoff game he was 21/41 for 266 yards, 2 TD's and an INT. In the game the next year where the Titans won 30-13 he was 31/47 for 332 yards, 0 TD's and 2 INT's. So that's likely the game you're thinking of. ah... gotcha. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 People still trying to win an old argument they already lost huh? Lol. ---- Fahey let his love for Mariota cloud his judgement. And when he was wrong and the offense thrived he hid like a little bitch. And when one game went wrong he re-appeared triumphant ... then disappeared again. He also blocked those that pointed this out. Including yours truly. Now he comes back saying it can all work? Surprise! I'm interested to see what happens if the offense struggles Week 1. This is the problem. He seems quite good at bringing in numbers to change his narrative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 44 minutes ago, titanruss said: you dont start a system running what your QB is bad at and ignore what they are good at. you start with what they are good at and you add the other stuff in later. makes the team as a whole better, protects the QB better, improves his confidence and rapport with receivers, allows him to be more confident and efficient in game-winning situations, and everything grows from there. of course you sprinkle in the hard stuff and the stuff they dont get. then the next year you add more and by year three in the system you should have it all in place and can decide what they are now best at. you'll also have a better record, a less injured guy, more confident player, and a guy who has probably won more in crunch time. we'll have to agree to disagree. You also don't start a system designed to not push your QB to develop on his weaknesses. There's a middle ground. Mariota came into the league a spread QB. Should we have kept him in shotgun 4 wide forever while only sprinkling in a smidgen of a true NFL system? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 The system is fine and Mariota has shown that he can play well in it for extended periods of time. As for Mariota and this guy's rankings, theres's no way he's the 7th best QB right now based on his body of work. That's laughable. Now, he has the potential to be top 5 if he can overcome his inconsistent footwork/accuracy and stay on the field. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 I've said for a while this isn't the system I prefer for MM, but I do think it is pushing him to develop on his weaknesses. His footwork from under center and his deep ball improved dramatically from year one to two. We can only hope he continues to develop and they eventually let him run the offense more open. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 7 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: You also don't start a system designed to not push your QB to develop on his weaknesses. There's a middle ground. Mariota came into the league a spread QB. Should we have kept him in shotgun 4 wide forever while only sprinkling in a smidgen of a true NFL system? no one is saying dont push him. no one is saying he cant attempt more deep balls. no one is saying he shouldnt take snaps from center. you just dont put him in a system that takes little advantage of his strength and is based on his weakness. its poor planning. its also a shitty system when a guy can read 5 recievers on a field with the best of them and more than half the plays there are 3 routes or less... and often trying to reduce the play to half a field to help him when thats not what he needs help with. you dont take away one of the quickest releases in the game for long developing low % plays. he's learning nothing from that. he knows who the heck is open.. its usually no one. all theyre doing is forcing him to throw harder. he can learn to do that anytime. i should bite my tongue until after game 1 though. there was much talk of super fast hurry up and fields being spread all camp. it never showed in scrimmages or games yet, but it was there. there was also, unfortunately, a ton of talk about trick plays again and getting cute with 2-3 fakes in a play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 55 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I've said for a while this isn't the system I prefer for MM, but I do think it is pushing him to develop on his weaknesses. His footwork from under center and his deep ball improved dramatically from year one to two. We can only hope he continues to develop and they eventually let him run the offense more open. his footwork and deep ball did develop. i'm not sure that has anything to do with the system though. thats just offseason work on weaknesses. he still needs to work on pocket presence... and if preseason is any indicator (i hope not) he seems to have lost the ability to find his checkdown as often as he should. maybe its just testing waters but i get the feeling the coaches are asking him to stupidly press it and throw down field more... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, titanruss said: no one is saying dont push him. no one is saying he cant attempt more deep balls. no one is saying he should take snaps from center. you just dont put him in a system that takes little advantage of his strength and is based on his weakness. its poor planning. its also a shitty system when a guy can read 5 recievers on a field with the best of them and more than half the plays there are 3 routes or less... and often trying to reduce the play to half a field to help him when thats not what he needs help with. you dont take away one of the quickest releases in the game for long developing low % plays. he's learning nothing from that. he knows who the heck is open.. its usually no one. all theyre doing is forcing him to throw harder. he can learn to do that anytime. i should bite my tongue until after game 1 though. there was much talk of super fast hurry up and fields being spread all camp. it never showed in scrimmages or games yet, but it was there. there was also, unfortunately, a ton of talk about trick plays again and getting cute with 2-3 fakes in a play. I'm not a huge fan of the system, so I don't disagree with most of this. Still, there's something to be said about the fact he's progressed quite a bit in terms of his weaknesss. As well, none of our guys last year were quick twitch guys. All we had, besides a mostly injured KW, was tall lanky guys who couldn't create separation. I kind of understand the approach of power run with long developing routes so guys like Mathews could take advantage of his length. And as you said in the last paragraph, we've heard numerous reports out of camp at us running tons of no huddle at break neck speeds. Hopefully we see more of it. I think my my main problem with the system last year is that it seemed to be two different offenses based on where we were in the game. We were either constantly running a spread, or we were constantly running big sets with little in between and little fluidity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 http://www.espn.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/21035/titans-trickery-not-on-pace-of-mike-mularkey-with-steelers It could be worse for you anti-Mularkey guys. He says he ran 240 trick plays in 2001 & 2002. Obviously he isn't talking about pure flea flickers here, Im sure these are similar to the multiple play fakes, reverses, stuff like that, that he's used here. Thsi is the one part I'm not a fan of, he does seem borderline obsessed with trick plays, and I know it's pissed prior fan bases off. It gets old, quick. I just think the base offense is great, it's a creative power scheme with downfield throwing. When we stick to that the offense moves great. It seemed like the majority of the trick plays last year were total disasters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 18 minutes ago, titanruss said: his footwork and deep ball did develop. i'm not sure that has anything to do with the system though. thats just offseason work on weaknesses. he still needs to work on pocket presence... and if preseason is any indicator (i hope not) he seems to have lost the ability to find his checkdown as often as he should. maybe its just testing waters but i get the feeling the coaches are asking him to stupidly press it and throw down field more... It isn't necessarily the system but the staff pushing him to work on those flaws because the system is dependent on him overcoming those weaknesses. We spoke at lengths last year about how the system isn't optimal, but it is what it is, and until this point it's helped keep him clean and we've seen progression. If we run the same system as last year when all the guys are healthy then I'll stop any support. If Decker and Davis are healthy to go with Taylor and Mathews then we should see more options in the passing game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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