heyitsmeallen Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 I would not want this guy as the Titans coach. So glad he didn't end up here. Quote "The thought is to get as many yards as you can. And we were right there on the fringe. It was by no means an easy field goal. From what I remember, we ran in on first-and-10 and lost yards. Got into second-and-11, so we try to get a pass to get us back into a manageable third down, closer to the field goal, and we took a sack. Taking a sack ... got us into a third-and-20, so we threw a quick pass trying to get back into field goal range, which we did. But there was a holding call on the play. And when you get a holding call on third-and-20, it goes back that far. We were way out of field goal range. We tried our best to get back in but couldn't get it done." "It's not really the run-pass ratio that I look at,'' Shanahan said. "It's you stay on the field, and you run your offense. [We] went three-and-out two times, which was huge. I think we had second-and-1 on both of those. To not convert on second-and-1 and then third, it was tough. That's why we let them get back into the game." Freeman was averaging 6.8YPC and they just ignored him in the second half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleytolar Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 As I recall that play on which holding was called was a completion which gained back more yards than were lost in the sack. I'd say it was the holding call on Jake that was the crucial mistake that cost them the Super Bowl. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyitsmeallen Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, charleytolar said: As I recall that play on which holding was called was a completion which gained back more yards than were lost in the sack. I'd say it was the holding call on Jake that was the crucial mistake that cost them the Super Bowl. The issue is that there shouldn't have been a sack at all. They only lost 1 yard on first down and their RB was averaging almost 7 yards a carry. So the excuse that you passed on second because you lost "yards" on first down was stupid because A. You only lost 1 yard. B. 2 more runs and you most likely would have gotten a first down or at worst still in FG range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 He's also ignoring clock management here. It's not just about getting another score. You run the ball 3x regardless of outcome & punt if need be. You don't fucking throw the ball...AT ALL. Hell, I'd be more likely to agree that have someone run the OPPOSITE way in order to run out clock and punt would be better than the actual outcome. If you run the ball 3x and punt, leaving 2mins on the clock, maybe Brady doesn't march down the field in a 4min drill and beat your ass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Nator Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Shanahan didn't make the best calls towards the end. But he is young The guy is fucking awesome. Matt Ryan is nothing but a above average NFL QB and Shanny made him look like Manning/Brady/Brees this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 They were at the 23 yard line after the 1st down run. They were already well within range. The only thing that could realistically cost Atlanta the Super Bowl are to lose yards, turn the ball over, screw up on the field goal snap or hold because Matt Bryant is pretty much automatic from 40 yards out, particularly in a dome or have the Patriots score after the FG, recover an onsides kick and score again, which is highly unlikely. So what does Atlanta do? Well, something that caused one of those things to happen. Shanahan's explanation is poor. He clearly doesn't have any idea about clock management, which is the #1 thing a head coach needs to be able to do during a game. His father didn't either. He was just lucky that he had John Elway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo59 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 SF problem now...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleytolar Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 hour ago, heyitsmeallen said: The issue is that there shouldn't have been a sack at all. They only lost 1 yard on first down and their RB was averaging almost 7 yards a carry. So the excuse that you passed on second because you lost "yards" on first down was stupid because A. You only lost 1 yard. B. 2 more runs and you most likely would have gotten a first down or at worst still in FG range. I think it is a little harsh to cast aside a OC because of one call. NE was on an offensive roll at that point; they had not been stopped in the second half. Shanahan was trying to give Brady as little time as no FG conversion is guaranteeed. If they score a touchdown, there is no issue NE marched down the field in the last 2 minutes of the 4 Q and the first 2 minutes of OT seemingly without resistance. Shanahan was trying to protect the Falcon defense by keeping them off the field or by giving Brady 30 seconds instead of 2 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, charleytolar said: I think it is a little harsh to cast aside a OC because of one call. NE was on an offensive roll at that point; they had not been stopped in the second half. Shanahan was trying to give Brady as little time as he could if they did not score a touchdown and have to settle for a FG. If they score a touchdown, there is no issue NE marched down the field in the last 2 minutes of the 4 Q and the first 2 minutes of OT seemingly without resistance. Shanahan was trying to protect the Falcon defense by keeping them off the field or by giving Brady 30 seconds instead of 2 minutes. If he was trying to take time off the clock then why didn't they run? At that point of the game there was essentially no difference between a TD or FG. 2 scores is 2 scores. Shanahan and Quinn have to understand this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyitsmeallen Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, charleytolar said: I think it is a little harsh to cast aside a OC because of one call. NE was on an offensive roll at that point; they had not been stopped in the second half. Shanahan was trying to give Brady as little time as he could if they did not score a touchdown and have to settle for a FG. If they score a touchdown, there is no issue NE marched down the field in the last 2 minutes of the 4 Q and the first 2 minutes of OT seemingly without resistance. Shanahan was trying to protect the Falcon defense by keeping them off the field or by giving Brady 30 seconds instead of 2 minutes. Your argument explains exactly why they should have run the ball. Already in FG range. Would have made it an 11 point game with 3ish mins left. The clock doesn't stop when you run it, it does on an incomplete pass so the risk of an INT or clock stopping isn't worth it. Their RB was averaging 7 YPC so they would have most likely gotten a first down. If they don't get a first down the clock is still running and they are still in FG range. All they had to do is just let the playclock wind all the way to 1 before snapping it on second and 3rd down. If they don't get a first They would have most likely been kicking the FG at or right after the 2 min warning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 50 minutes ago, 'Nator said: Shanahan didn't make the best calls towards the end. But he is young The guy is fucking awesome. Matt Ryan is nothing but a above average NFL QB and Shanny made him look like Manning/Brady/Brees this year. Ryan was annointed the next Tom Brady back when he entered the league, but I think they meant game manager-Tom Brady from 2001... not uber QB who's argubly/questionably in the running for GOAT QB. That being said, Dann Quinn is not Belichick. I can't imagine Ryan not being much more successful in his career if he'd had a coach like BB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleytolar Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, scine09 said: If he was trying to take time off the clock then why didn't they run?? At that point of the game there was essentially no difference between a TD or FG. 2 scores is 2 scores. Shanahan and Quinn have to understand this. I think he was trying to score a touchdown more than anything... the worst possible outcomes happened on back to back plays but that was on execution not play-calling. Some of you still must love Fisherball! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Just now, charleytolar said: I think he was trying to score a touchdown more than anything... the worst possible outcomes happened on back to back plays but that was on execution not play-calling. Some of you still must love Fisherball! Dude there was under 5 minutes left in the game and they were in FG range. Forget Fisher ball any coach with a clue is running there. Like I said in another post, the only way that New England could have won at that point was if Atlanta made a mistake. And they did. At the level where it shouldn't happen, with coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 I line up in a two te, goaline stand there on the 23 and run it 3x and hope to gain maybe 5 yards on 3 plays then kick a fg. Pretty fucking simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, SleepingTitan said: I line up in a two te, goaline stand there on the 23 and run it 3x and hope to gain maybe 5 yards on 3 plays then kick a fg. Pretty fucking simple. Taking a knee is a better strategy than what they used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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