Matt Miller tweet about Chargers moving up...

[KnoxTitan]

He's missed 3 games in the last 4 years...You're reaching with the injury prone issue. The Spondy has not been an issue in his career. And there is no indication that it will be. If it was as big of a concern as you're claiming we wouldn't have even drafted him.He's lost 0 playing time due to it. You're looking for any way you can spin this into a Locker situation. I can make damn near any player look injury prone with the way you're framing things. 

 

Not really.

 

I don't know where you get the 4 years stuff. He only played in a few games in 2011, with 8 passing attempts. It's not like he played all year.

 

2012 he was completely healthy.

2013 he blew his knee out.

2014 he jacked up his shoulder.

 

You say he only missed 3 games in 4 years.

 

I say he's only played 3 years of with significant playing time, and he was unable to finish 2 of those years due to injury.

 

We're both technically right.

And this doesn't even take into account the fact that the guy is a statue in the pocket, and JJ Watt isn't retiring anytime soon. The odds of him getting hurt again are pretty high I think.

 

And that doesn't take into account what could be a degenerative back condition.

[big2033]

Not really.

 

I don't know where you get the 4 years stuff. He only played in a few games in 2011, with 8 passing attempts. It's not like he played all year.

 

2012 he was completely healthy.

2013 he blew his knee out.

2014 he jacked up his shoulder.

 

You say he only missed 3 games in 4 years.

 

I say he's only played 3 years of with significant playing time, and he was unable to finish 2 of those years due to injury.

 

We're both technically right.

And this doesn't even take into account the fact that the guy is a statue in the pocket, and JJ Watt isn't retiring anytime soon. The odds of him getting hurt again are pretty high I think.

 

And that doesn't take into account what could be a degenerative back condition.

 

That's been my stance.

[Face]

Not really.

I don't know where you get the 4 years stuff. He only played in a few games in 2011, with 8 passing attempts. It's not like he played all year.

2012 he was completely healthy.

2013 he blew his knee out.

2014 he jacked up his shoulder.

You say he only missed 3 games in 4 years.

I say he's only played 3 years of with significant playing time, and he was unable to finish 2 of those years due to injury.

We're both technically right.

And this doesn't even take into account the fact that the guy is a statue in the pocket, and JJ Watt isn't retiring anytime soon. The odds of him getting hurt again are pretty high I think.

And that doesn't take into account what could be a degenerative back condition.

I thought he played 2 years in Jr college so that's my bad.

But this is what I'm talking about, how you guys frame things. "Unable to finish 2 of those years". He tore his ACL with a few mins left in the last game of the year.

[KnoxTitan]

I thought he played 2 years in Jr college so that's my bad.

But this is what I'm talking about, how you guys frame things. "Unable to finish 2 of those years". He tore his ACL with a few mins left in the last game of the year.

 

 

He played 1 season at Butler, so if you count the JUCO, his seasons with a major injury fall from 66% to 50%.

 

I get it, this could be just isolated incidents. Maybe.

 

I'm just not willing to mortgage the future on that. Especially with the game he plays, He's not a slippery athlete - you know the kind of guys that just never seem to take the big hit. He's going to get popped in the pocket from time to time.

 

 

Add into that the back issue, which I don't think you can just completely blow off, and his health has to be at least a concern.

[Legaltitan]

The back is nothing to keep you up at night, but it shouldn't be dismissed. 

 

I deal with this in my line of work all the time.  His back condition is the type he could live with the rest of his life and not have a problem until he is in his 50s or later.

 

But it is also the type that makes him more susceptible to traumatic injury.  If he's just regular guy with an office job, you completely write it off.  In a sport where he is going to be hit hard on an almost weekly basis, it is certainly a concern.

 

I don't think you design your QB strategy around the fact your starter has spondylosis, but it isn't nothing.

[IsntLifeFunny]

I'm yet to figure out why giving the kid a year is mortgaging the future on him. Drafting Mariota at 2 on the other hand is exactly that.

[Tim]

I hope Mett was able to hit the weight room hard this offseason. You could tell core strength needed improving. Hopefully that will help with back issues too.

[big2033]

I'm yet to figure out why giving the kid a year is mortgaging the future on him. Drafting Mariota at 2 on the other hand is exactly that.

 

We may not be in a position to get a 1st round QB for a while. And if we are in position they may have a lower grade. So we are mortgaging something if we go with Mett over Mariota. 

 

It's why the Colts let Manning walk ... though obviously Mariota is no Luck ... but Mett is no Manning either.

[KnoxTitan]

I'm yet to figure out why giving the kid a year is mortgaging the future on him. Drafting Mariota at 2 on the other hand is exactly that.

 

 

Because if you ride Mett, you're passing up the chance to draft a very highly thought of QB prospect in Mariota or Winston.

 

If Mett fails, and we go hunting for a QB in the 2016 draft, we're not going to get a guy who's as good as Mariota or Winston.

 

We're at a point where the QB class is pretty good, and we're actually in a position to draft one of them. That doesn't come around very often.

 

 

If you draft Mariota or Winston - you're essentially hedging your bet. You're giving yourself 2 lottery tickets in the Franchise QB derby, instead of one.

[IsntLifeFunny]

Because if you ride Mett, you're passing up the chance to draft a very highly thought of QB prospect in Mariota or Winston.

 

If Mett fails, and we go hunting for a QB in the 2016 draft, we're not going to get a guy who's as good as Mariota or Winston.

 

We're at a point where the QB class is pretty good, and we're actually in a position to draft one of them. That doesn't come around very often.

 

 

If you draft Mariota or Winston - you're essentially hedging your bet. You're giving yourself 2 lottery tickets in the Franchise QB derby, instead of one.

This is why I want us to trade down, so we have the ammo to move up next year. As for the 2 lottery ticket argument, no way. Whiz said as much. If you pick him at 2 then Mett is done unless MM gets injured.

[IsntLifeFunny]

We may not be in a position to get a 1st round QB for a while. And if we are in position they may have a lower grade. So we are mortgaging something if we go with Mett over Mariota.

It's why the Colts let Manning walk ... though obviously Mariota is no Luck ... but Mett is no Manning either.

Then it goes both ways I guess, because you are absolutely tying your future to the second pick, not so much the sixth round pick you give a one year tryout. I agree that we may not be in the same position next year, but that's why I said what I said in the previous post.

[KnoxTitan]

This is why I want us to trade down, so we have the ammo to move up next year. As for the 2 lottery ticket argument, no way. Whiz said as much. If you pick him at 2 then Mett is done unless MM gets injured.

 

 

Backup QB's always get their chance eventually. Cousins. Frerotte. Foles.  I'm sure we can come up with others.

 

Mariota/Winston probably come in ahead of Mett in the eyes of the coaching staff, but unless they play lights out - we'll see Mett again.

 

And if they play lights out - well, that sounds good to me.

[IsntLifeFunny]

Backup QB's always get their chance eventually. Cousins. Frerotte. Foles.  I'm sure we can come up with others.

 

Mariota/Winston probably come in ahead of Mett in the eyes of the coaching staff, but unless they play lights out - we'll see Mett again.

 

And if they play lights out - well, that sounds good to me.

Refer to my thread about MM. If you draft the kid you have to be patient with him. I really like Mett and want to see him get a shot, but if we draft MM we need to be all in on him and refuse to move on before Mett's contract is up.

[big2033]

Then it goes both ways I guess, because you are absolutely tying your future to the second pick, not so much the sixth round pick you give a one year tryout. I agree that we may not be in the same position next year, but that's why I said what I said in the previous post.

 

This is why it's a kick in the balls. And this is what Whiz has pointed out too.

 

If you're going to pass, you better be sure. About Mett and about Mariota. If Mariota grades out better than Mett and ... let's say the QBs in the last two drafts you can't just "see what Mett has ..." 

 

It makes it so much easier if Mariota doesn't grade high.

[IsntLifeFunny]

This is why it's a kick in the balls. And this is what Whiz has pointed out too.

 

If you're going to pass, you better be sure. About Mett and about Mariota. If Mariota grades out better than Mett and ... let's say the QBs in the last two drafts you can't just "see what Mett has ..."

 

It makes it so much easier if Mariota doesn't grade high.

Very true. If MM grades out as several degrees better than Mett you take him and don't look back. You put everything you have into developing him and hope he is the guy we've been looking to get for a long time. But, if you see his flaws putting him in a similar trajectory in terms of danger of not developing as Mett then he isn't the guy, even if five years down the road you end up being wrong.

To me, Mett has a better chance of developing than any rookie QB taken last year. I think teams will stifle Bridgewater and Carr. Bottles looks like a bust. The rest are absolutely JAGs. So, if you're going to bypass him you better be damn sure it is worth it, because Williams is a blue chip guy and the trade down scenario could fill a lot of holes on a busted roster.