Face Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 I agree with most here that Williams is the best prospect in the draft & by a pretty significant margin as well. If TB picks a QB I hope we have the Williams card in the second the clock starts. With that, and perhaps the X's & O's guys can help me with this, I'm wondering how Horton would play him. When Horton left Arizona Calais Campbell & especially Darnell Docket expressed relief, saying they didn't like the scheme & their job was to tie up blockers so the 2nd & 3rd level guys can make plays, which is obviously 2 gapping. CC was the 3 tech there so he did a good amount of 1 gap stuff but DD played the spot that Ropati is now, 2 gapping & occupying blockers. His numbers reflect this as well, as his sack numbers before & after Horton are much higher. What I'm getting at here is I hope we don't draft the kid & basically ask him to do what Pitoitua did last year, which is a waste of talent. I'd hope if we do draft him we'd switch to more of a Wade Phillips type one gap 3-4 then our current design. You'd think that would be the case but I'm not that sure. Docket was a very good penetrating DT & Horton still used him in the role discussed above, which is a waste of his talent. Does anyone think that if Horton does plan on using him in this role that Gregory might be the better choice? I'd still go with Williams, as Horton isn't going to be the DC forever, but just curious about what some of you think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 You speak of Whisenhunt being rigid. I think Horton's more rigid than any coach I can remember. I don't think Horton's switching his system for anyone. It's his way or the highway. Offensively I'm okay with that because I really think that in the long run you need to have a certain offense to succeed unless you have a great defense (like Seattle). I don't believe the same is true for defense and I wish Horton would just adapt to what he has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Williams would be asked to 2 gap and play the 5 tech a good bit from the base. I think we would switch him to nose and 3 tech at times with Casey switching to nose every once in a while. I think his addition would open up the 2-4-5 that we didn't see much of last year. He would also play 3 tech in Nickel and Dime and would play more of a 7 tech in any type of quarter defense. He 2 gapped at USC a good bit from the games I saw and was excellent in his technique. He consistently got under the tackle's pads and stood him up with his long arms, having an easy time shedding him to make a play on the ball while also keeping his LBs clean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted January 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Horton has no idea how to use a guy like that. I almost feel sorry for Williams if he gets picked by us. Oh by the way the best system and use of Williams if he did become a Titan? Dump this stupid hybrid BS 3-4 and play a four man front with Casey and Williams as the DTs, bring back Morgan if the price is right to play SDE and find someone to be the LEO. I was thinking the same thing Sox, resigning Morgan at LE & signing either Hughes/JPP/Hardy. This would be a monster 4 man DL, assuming Williams is what we think he is: Morgan/Williams/Casey/one of the above 3 RE's. With that we could just rush 4 & not leave BWW on an island all game long. Not happening though, hell Wiz told Detroit he would switch them to the 3-4! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Horton has no idea how to use a guy like that. I almost feel sorry for Williams if he gets picked by us.Oh by the way the best system and use of Williams if he did become a Titan? Dump this stupid hybrid BS 3-4 and play a four man front with Casey and Williams as the DTs, bring back Morgan if the price is right to play SDE and find someone to be the LEO. If we pick up Williams we would be much better suited to playing the Over defense like in Seattle while switching to the 1 gap around 40% of the time. It's actually what I hoped to see when Horton discussed running the hybrid, but apparently he meant a hybrid between the 2 gap and 1 gap 3-4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Williams will be fine in whatever scheme hes in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Williams will be fine in whatever scheme hes in True, but he would be wasted if he's constantly asked to 2 gap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 He wont be asked to do it evey play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdtitans Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Williams will fit the scheme if he can return kicks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted January 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 You speak of Whisenhunt being rigid. I think Horton's more rigid than any coach I can remember. I don't think Horton's switching his system for anyone. It's high way or the highway. Offensively I'm okay with that because I really think that in the long run you need to have a certain offense to succeed unless you have a great defense (like Seattle). I don't believe the same is true for defense and I wish Horton would just adapt to what he has. I'm starting to agree Scine. I understand that for the most part you do what you have to do to get to the QB but my goodness, he just left his corners on an island. I wouldn't be surprised if BWW is shell shocked by last year. I don't know how good a DC Horton is to be honest. He got a lot of credit when Arizona turned things around but that's starting to look like it was from an influx of talent. I was hoping Whisenhunt would hire Butler last year but Pitt didn't let him go. At times this year the D seemed almost gimmicky, with all the exotic blitzes. Hopefully we improve our pass rush this year & get back to a more basic design. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfan Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 I don't think he'll be a Titan.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted January 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Williams would be asked to 2 gap and play the 5 tech a good bit from the base. I think we would switch him to nose and 3 tech at times with Casey switching to nose every once in a while. I think his addition would open up the 2-4-5 that we didn't see much of last year. He would also play 3 tech in Nickel and Dime and would play more of a 7 tech in any type of quarter defense. He 2 gapped at USC a good bit from the games I saw and was excellent in his technique. He consistently got under the tackle's pads and stood him up with his long arms, having an easy time shedding him to make a play on the ball while also keeping his LBs clean. Williams & Casey would be awesome in the 2-4-5. In the 2nd Jax game it looked like Horton played a lot of 4 man lines on 3rd down, with DaQuan Jones playing the 1 tech. Even though I like Morgan a lot he was pretty bad against the run standing but as a LE he was very good setting the edge. I know everyone loves the 3-4 but I just don't think it was a great idea for us. We had a pretty scrappy D last year. We needed some more talent, sure, but it was a decent defense. Even though Casey is still a beast he's not quite as destructive & Morgan is much better setting the edge than playing the run in space. I think we would've been better off using Seattle's design & playing Pit at RE on early downs & using Ayers as a stand up RE on 3rd down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonboy Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Value and Team Fit: Leonard Williams presents good value to the Titans at the second overall pick and would be an excellent fit in the Titans scheme. Williams is versatile and can be deployed in a variety of alignments, but would fit well in virtually any defensive line techniques. Williams would help solidify the Titans defensive line, adding size and power to the Titans run defense and would prove to be a highly disruptive pass rusher as well. Williams is a very complete player who still possesses a great deal of upside at his young age and could be a long-term building block for a rebuilding team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobo Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Face I think you may be making a bit too much out of the concepts of 1 gapping and 2 gapping. Williams can and likely would be moved around quite a bit. I saw Williams make impressive plays at USC from the 5 tech spot and at 3 tech, maybe on the nose too, but I don't recall (haven't looked closely at vids yet). I remember seeing Ropati line up at 5, 3, and even 1 tech (or maybe it was 0 or a mix of 1 and 0) last year. I'm pretty sure he was moved around more freely last year than in our previous 4-3. I imagine Williams would be used that way and would be given different opportunities to make plays, whether it's 1 or 2 gapping. I don't want to say too much about Williams just yet as I haven't watched a lot of him, but his blend of size/strength/athleticism looks unique. He looks to have some similarities of Watt and a young Richard Seymour. Both those guys line up all over the DL and destroy OL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Williams would be fine in the scheme. I couldn't believe they lined him up as a standing LEO in the bowl game. His versatility is amazing. He can play every technique. I can somewhat understand Face's concerns though. Dockett was a beast before and after Horton but was strictly a 2 gap 5 tech in Horton's scheme. I don't believe we would pick a guy at 2 only to have him 2 gap all of the time, but the precedent does exist, as Dockett was openly pissed off about his use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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