Anybody Check Out Bridgewater?

[Jerry Blair]

No way.

 

Cunningham had a MUCH bigger arm and was FAR more athletic than Bridgewater. It's a terrible comparison.

 

That's what I was thinking.

[Face]

I live in mn and desperately wanted the vikings to load up on picks and take mett round 5-6. Instead they sacrificed a pick moving up to get teddy who i feel has a ceiling of say a brad johnson, which ain't bad. But mett fit norvs system to a T and would've pushed cassel for the job. It worked out best for both mettenberger and teddy. Mn has so many offensive weapons teddy won't have to carry the team, which he's not capable of. Mettenberger hasthe opportunity to emerge as a true franchise qb and be part of maybe the next great coach/qb combo going forward the next 5-6 years. I call this combo wisenberger. You heard it hear first. I've been telling people for two years mett is the next franchise qb, and it's unfolding now before us. I've also renounced my viking fandom and upgraded to titans fandom. I did it the moment mn traded up for Bridgewater and Tenn wisely picked zm. Multiple superbowl appearances tenn if you shape up that defense and keep mettenberger upright. He's got that much upside. Go team Wisenberger!

 

ZM is an absolutely PERFECT fit for Norv's offense. Even though I love what Whisenhunt is doing with the shotgun, 3-4 wide, bunch sets, etc I'd still like to see him use alot of power, 2 TE sets when we go to ZM. Thompson & Walker are great run blockers & can catch, it can set up play action & max protect type sets to take advantage of ZM's downfield arm.

[Face]

Teddy is somewhat petite IMO. He looks a little fragile and the tiny hands didn't help. He also doesn't have a rocket of an arm.

If you look back for years in the draft you will not find many if any smallish guys without big arms going real early in the draft. It isn't that Teddy is horrible in those categories but he is what he is.

 

Dude I don't know what it is because the guy is 6'2 but when I saw him running on the field in his purple jersey, which was also too tight, he looked like Gary Coleman on the field. He looked like a 12 year old midget. He also had this deer in the headlights look. That was the first game, he obviously killed it in the 2nd game though. I didn't see any of the stuff they were talking about at his proday though, his throws looked like they had good juice to me.

[Guest]

No way.

 

Cunningham had a MUCH bigger arm and was FAR more athletic than Bridgewater. It's a terrible comparison.

 

I'm not surprised. Afterall, SleepingTitan doesn't think Locker has an NFL caliber arm.

[SleepingTitan]

You guys don't understand analogy obviously. I didn't say TB was like Cunningham. I said if you were comparing him to other black qb's he'd be more like Cunningham than BL. That's not the same thing as saying he's like Cunningham. 

 

You guys are so fuckin daft. Locker does have a great arm...for breaking plates at the carnival booth or practice where nobody is gonna smack him. He is the opposite of Tebow. Tebow has horrible technique, is lame in practice, but WINS games. Jake has somehow convinced a group of people to pay him millions of dollars on the basis of work ethic, leadership, character, & practice talent. His last 3 years proved he can't play on a high level. They also proved he can't sustain health.

 

"An NFL caliber arm" is about as useful as being able to drive 400yds for an amateur golfer. I know quite a few people who can hit that far. Can they shoot scratch? Fuck no. Ask J. Russell what that NFL caliber arm is good for. 

[scine09]

You guys don't understand analogy obviously. I didn't say TB was like Cunningham. I said if you were comparing him to other black qb's he'd be more like Cunningham than BL. That's not the same thing as saying he's like Cunningham. 

 

You guys are so fuckin daft. Locker does have a great arm...for breaking plates at the carnival booth or practice where nobody is gonna smack him. He is the opposite of Tebow. Tebow has horrible technique, is lame in practice, but WINS games. Jake has somehow convinced a group of people to pay him millions of dollars on the basis of work ethic, leadership, character, & practice talent. His last 3 years proved he can't play on a high level. They also proved he can't sustain health.

 

"An NFL caliber arm" is about as useful as being able to drive 400yds for an amateur golfer. I know quite a few people who can hit that far. Can they shoot scratch? Fuck no. Ask J. Russell what that NFL caliber arm is good for. 

You just lost all credibility when you said, or inferred, that Tebow is a better QB than Locker.

[SleepingTitan]

You just lost all credibility when you said, or inferred, that Tebow is a better QB than Locker.

When did I say that? 

 

I said he WINS. I said he's the opposite of Locker. What's Locker's win/loss ratio? TD/INT ratio? 

[scine09]

When did I say that? 

 

I said he WINS. I said he's the opposite of Locker. What's Locker's win/loss ratio? TD/INT ratio? 

He doesn't WIN. His team has been victories about the same amount of times as it hasn't. But he's been a positive part in those wins in a very small % of them.

[SleepingTitan]

I think Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Brady... and so forth all think an NFL caliber arm is useful. I have no idea what you are trying to say. Just because there have been guys with strong arms that couldn't play doesn't mean it isn't useful. Also, Tebow's complete lack of an NFL caliber arm is the main reason he is out of the league right now.

An arm is a prerequisite. It doesn't matter how good it is if you throw it to the wrong team. It doesn't matter how good it is if it takes too long to decide to use it and the pocket as well as the window of opportunity down the field collapses. 

 

Matt Cassel is better than Locker.

[SleepingTitan]

I just heard on the zone "If I showed you on tape when (Mett) pulled the trigger on the throw to Justin Hunter, you'd have absolutely no idea who he was throwing to."

 

They asked about whether Manziel had the talent to play. He pointed to Mett as showing exactly what's necessary.

 

Go watch Locker highlights. You'll fall asleep. 

[luvyablue256]

Ask J. Russell what that NFL caliber arm is good for. 

 

Tossin' back sizzurp baby.

 

[Face]

Exactly. Right or wrong the kid does not fit the stereotype of an early 1st round NFL QB physically (his helmet actually looks too big for his head also). Then you add in the issues with the gloves and all it simply makes sense why he fell in the draft (not passing the qt pounder with cheese test was big). Also, when it got a little further along in the 1st round where his value maybe came closer to matching draft spot value there were teams who weren't going to draft a QB.

Bottom line was the Vikings went into the draft way more motivated to pick a QB early than we were and they still passed on the Teddy Bear at #9. And they obviously liked him.

 

Yup. I don't want to rehash this conversation because we all went over this 1000 times pre-draft but in watching Teddy play after seeing Bortles it's pretty clear why teams preferred BB. Bridgewater just doesn't have top shelf traits, he's a tad smaller than average, has a slightly stronger than average arm & is really just an average athlete, at best slightly above average. Bortles, on the other hand, looked like an absolute stud on the field. Dude was just oozing top 3 pick talent. Guy is 6'5 235 with a big time arm & excellent athleticism, he's actually a better athlete than Teddy even though he's alot bigger.

 

Teddy very well may wind up the better QB, he does alot of good things that are difficult to teach like throw with anticipation, read defenses, etc. But as far as evaluating the 2 BB was on a whole other level & I didn't realize just how big the gap was between the two as prospects until seeing them on a pro field. I bet just about every team had Bortles ranked ahead of Teddy. I also think we would have taken him in the 1st had he been there though thats a complete guess on my part. I'll say this though, this is where Reo is spot on in regards to draft position because had we taken Bortles Locker would already be done here. He would have basically been done the second we turned the card in besides but after looking the way he has Whisenhunt would have moved on from Jake, no question.

[Jonboy]

Yup. I don't want to rehash this conversation because we all went over this 1000 times pre-draft but in watching Teddy play after seeing Bortles it's pretty clear why teams preferred BB. Bridgewater just doesn't have top shelf traits, he's a tad smaller than average, has a slightly stronger than average arm & is really just an average athlete, at best slightly above average. Bortles, on the other hand, looked like an absolute stud on the field. Dude was just oozing top 3 pick talent. Guy is 6'5 235 with a big time arm & excellent athleticism, he's actually a better athlete than Teddy even though he's alot bigger.

 

Teddy very well may wind up the better QB, he does alot of good things that are difficult to teach like throw with anticipation, read defenses, etc. But as far as evaluating the 2 BB was on a whole other level & I didn't realize just how big the gap was between the two as prospects until seeing them on a pro field. I bet just about every team had Bortles ranked ahead of Teddy. I also think we would have taken him in the 1st had he been there though thats a complete guess on my part. I'll say this though, this is where Reo is spot on in regards to draft position because had we taken Bortles Locker would already be done here. He would have basically been done the second we turned the card in besides but after looking the way he has Whisenhunt would have moved on from Jake, no question.

Is it also pretty clear to you now why so many said Manziel would bust?

 

 Sorry. Had to do it. 

[Face]

Is it also pretty clear to you now why so many said Manziel would bust?

Sorry. Had to do it.

Oh 100% fair. Don't get me wrong Jonboy, at the time I would've loved to have picked Manziel, Teddy, BB, or Carr, in that order. Looking back now we really lucked out with ZM but truth be told I just wanted Locker replaced because I've lost faith in him & I think many were in the same boat. They just wanted a new QB & outside of Manziel for some there wouldn't be any objections with the choice.

As far as Bortles & Teddy I'm really just looking at it from an evaluation perspective, not as much who'd Id prefer myself. Bortles just had what the scouts are looking for, especially in the height/weight dept. He had that "look" the scouts love.

[Jonboy]

Oh 100% fair. Don't get me wrong Jonboy, at the time I would've loved to have picked Manziel, Teddy, BB, or Carr, in that order. Looking back now we really lucked out with ZM but truth be told I just wanted Locker replaced because I've lost faith in him & I think many were in the same boat. They just wanted a new QB & outside of Manziel for some there wouldn't be any objections with the choice.

As far as Bortles & Teddy I'm really just looking at it from an evaluation perspective, not as much who'd Id prefer myself. Bortles just had what the scouts are looking for, especially in the height/weight dept. He had that "look" the scouts love.

I'm just giving ya a hard time.