OILERMAN Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Dalton Vince Young has 48 50 starts with a record of 30-18 31-19. Would you trade Jake Locker for Andy Dalton Vince Young? Dalton's play is far superior to VY's, it's not like Dalton compiled his record the same way VY did, it's not even close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted July 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Kaepernicks deal may not have the same liability as Flaccos, but it still does cost $17 mm- $21 mm/ year against the cap depending on the year. Numbers like that would really limit our ability to resign players like Casey and Wright. And, I'm not sure Dalton can win without a solid supporting cast. I don't really agree but even if I did I'dtake a guy who needs a solid supporting cast to win over a guy who can't play. Let's assume Locker stays healthy and puts up Dalton like numbers. He's not going to play for peanuts. I don't see anything that shows Locker has the potential to become a guy who can win without a strong supporting cast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) Once again, the contract nonsense is a red herring. The market has been set. Non elite QBs are going to get big money however good teams know how to guard against it killing the cap. Kaepernick's contract comes to mind. it's also absurd to suggest Locker has flashed some sort of incredible skill that Dalton can only dream about having himself. Edited July 17, 2014 by oldschool Number9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Locker hasn't lost in the first round of the playoffs 3 years in a row, he's got that going for him Number9, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhorn Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Dalton's play is far superior to VY's, it's not like Dalton compiled his record the same way VY did, it's not even close. Meant it tongue in cheek. I don't think wins are a good way to evaluate QB play. scine09 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted July 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Kapernick's new deal costs about only $13M per year for the first 3 years. It doesn't escalate until year 4 and it doesn't hit $20M until year 7. The team also has the option to cut him and move on without penalty on a year by year basis. It's not a big money deal by any means in today's game. Heck, it's close to what we were paying CJ. By comparison, the Jags had to pay Bortles a $13M signing bonus. Same thing the Niners are paying Kaep this season. So drafting a highly touted rookie isn't really that much cheaper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhorn Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 I don't really agree but even if I did I'dtake a guy who needs a solid supporting cast to win over a guy who can't play. Let's assume Locker stays healthy and puts up Dalton like numbers. He's not going to play for peanuts. I don't see anything that shows Locker has the potential to become a guy who can win without a strong supporting cast. If Locker plays like Dalton, I wouldn't pay him either. He would need to play better than Dalton has to date, which is unlikely to happen. I don't think it's probable, but it is possible. I think Dalton is above average. It's my opinion that he won't elevate to the top teir. That's subjective. But, given that position, I think it's tough to build around a QB that isn't good enough to carry a team unless you can do so on their rookie deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhorn Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Kapernick's new deal costs about only $13M per year for the first 3 years. It doesn't escalate until year 4 and it doesn't hit $20M until year 7. The team also has the option to cut him and move on without penalty on a year by year basis. It's not a big money deal by any means in today's game. Heck, it's close to what we were paying CJ. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/colin-kaepernick/ $17 mm cap hit next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhorn Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Once again, the contract nonsense is a red herring. The market has been set. Non elite QBs are going to get big money however good teams know how to guard against it killing the cap. Kaepernick's contract comes to mind. it's also absurd to suggest Locker has flashed some sort of incredible skill that Dalton can only dream about having himself. A red herring that accounts for 10% of cap allocation! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted July 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/colin-kaepernick/ $17 mm cap hit next year. Yes, only because they chose to structure it that way. I was talking cash, not funny money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhorn Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Yes, only because they chose to structure it that way. I was talking cash, not funny money. Funny money or not, it will impact their ability to pursue other free agents and resign other players. From our perspective, it would really jeopardize our ability to resign Casey. We have ~$18 mm in cap room now. And look, I get your position. Out disagreement lies in a subjective opinion of what Dalton can or can't do. For me, it almost has nothing to do with Locker. That is, I'd prefer to just redraft before I'd want to sign Dalton to a Kaep like deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted July 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 A red herring that accounts for 10% of cap allocation! As of right now, Kaep's cap hit next season is #10 at the QB position. Chances are it will be closer to #15 once some other deals get redone. In other words, his cap hit is middle of the road for his position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted July 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Funny money or not, it will impact their ability to pursue other free agents and resign other players. From our perspective, it would really jeopardize our ability to resign Casey. We have ~$18 mm in cap room now. And look, I get your position. Out disagreement lies in a subjective opinion of what Dalton can or can't do. For me, it almost has nothing to do with Locker. That is, I'd prefer to just redraft before I'd want to sign Dalton to a Kaep like deal. Basically you don't think either guy is worth a second deal, so you'd rather keep the worse player since he gives you the best shot at drafting a new one? Number9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/colin-kaepernick/ $17 mm cap hit next year. If he doesn't reach certain incentives in 2014 his base goes down quite a bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted July 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Out of curiosity, what's the cap hit on our OL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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