Pragidealist Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Using these stats to select a qb without the context, and you get Tim Tebow and Blaine Gabbert over Colin Kaepernick. Stats are useful, but only in context. The strength and value of that context is subjective and is where everyone finds disagreement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Using these stats to select a qb without the context, and you get Tim Tebow and Blaine Gabbert over Colin Kaepernick. Stats are useful, but only in context. The strength and value of that context is subjective and is where everyone finds disagreement. This is true, but I don't think anyone is saying anything different. What is being noted is the likelihood of a QB with specific stats becoming a franchise QB is pretty consistent at this point. There is not a single top 10 QB without 60% completion in college. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Judging by the top 10 QBs in the NFL at this moment, I would venture to say it's one hell of a tool of predicting future performance in terms of their chances of becoming a franchise QB. Essentially, if a QB has above 60% completion percentage, he's hit a baseline that says he has the ability (in context of course) of having a shot at being a franchise QB. If he doesn't meet* this criteria, his chances are much less likely, as I've already shown by who the top QBs currently are in the NFL. Of course context matters. I'll take Bridgewater and Manziel's completion percentage against Bortles all day because of their respective systems. It's already been noted that Jake had mitigating factors influencing his stats. The point still stands that he was a reach at 8, and we left two All-Pro players in the wings, with two very good QBs we could have made a move for in the 2nd. How much different would our team be with Watt and Kaep, Watt and Dalton, or Quinn and Kaep, Quinn and Dalton? That's an unknown until we know what locker will do this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Using these stats to select a qb without the context, and you get Tim Tebow and Blaine Gabbert over Colin Kaepernick. Stats are useful, but only in context. The strength and value of that context is subjective and is where everyone finds disagreement. Pretty much my point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 That's an unknown until we know what locker will do this year. True to an extent. I hope he shows out even if we do pick a QB. I think the odds of him being on this team next year are pretty slim. The odds of him being the long term QB are even smaller. But it would be nice to end up with an Alex Smith/ Kaep type situation. Say he shows out this year, we sign him to a three year cap friendly deal, and then we trade him in 15. That's probably the best scenario I can imagine, because I have pretty much lost all faith that Jake will be our long term solution at QB. But hey, since my expectations are so low, I can only be surprised if we have the fortune of him turning it around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 This is true, but I don't think anyone is saying anything different. What is being noted is the likelihood of a QB with specific stats becoming a franchise QB is pretty consistent at this point. There is not a single top 10 QB without 60% completion in college. Brett Favre Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 About that.... McCarron completion % vs top 10 defenses 56.74 Manziel completion % vs top 10 defenses 68.12 What's good about 68% completions when they're not translating into WINS? You don't see an issue with that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatordude731 Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 What's good about 68% completions when they're not translating into WINS? You don't see an issue with that? lol it means what everyone is harping about McCarron might be right, his supporting cast around him was much better than most other QBs in the nation and he was carried. I'm not saying that's true but you could also use your argument with "BUT DAH WINS" for Tebow and VY. Not sure if you want that kind of QB for our team again do you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 lol it means what everyone is harping about McCarron might be right, his supporting cast around him was much better than most other QBs in the nation and he was carried. I'm not saying that's true but you could also use your argument with "BUT DAH WINS" for Tebow and VY. Not sure if you want that kind of QB for our team again do you? McCarron is nothing close to Tebow. McCarron's skill set can translate into the NFL. My point is, franchise QB's aren't judged on QBR & completion percentage. Sometimes, you need that 4th quarter poise and ability to make plays in key moments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Brett Favre I've been referring to current players throughout the thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatordude731 Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 McCarron is nothing close to Tebow. McCarron's skill set can translate into the NFL. My point is, franchise QB's are judged on QBR & completion percentage. I wasn't comparing his play to Tebow, but whenever someone brings up the, "all he does is win" as an excuse for someone's play I bring up Tebow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 I wasn't comparing his play to Tebow, but whenever someone brings up the, "all he does is win" as an excuse for someone's play I bring up Tebow. And I get that. Especially at the college level, where the age range of players on the field is from 18-23 years old. With that said, if you were a GM, would you pick Manziel in the 1st over McCarron in the 2nd? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatordude731 Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 And I get that. Especially at the college level, where the age range of players on the field is from 18-23 years old. With that said, if you were a GM, would you pick Manziel in the 1st over McCarron in the 2nd? My opinion? Manziel in the first, I wouldn't touch McCarron until at least the 3rd. I know you like him a lot but I don't see how he's that much different from the previous Bama qbs with all the 5* prospects around them. I could be dead wrong but that's just my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 How do you explain guys like Tim Tebow, Case Keenum, Jason Campbell, Matt Leinart or Greg McElroy, to name a few off the top of my head? Surrounded by great skill players, gimmicky systems, and not talented enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 I've been referring to current players throughout the thread. Why do only current players matter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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