Scouting During a Pandemic

[AussieTitanFan08]

1 hour ago, tgo said:

 

Again, after that recent Tennessean article on Wilson, I don't think there is any plausible way they could have caught the potential for these issues to arise. 

 

I don't know that any of these issues existed previously, or that there was an indication they could develop. His former coaches are shocked - he was known as a smart, tough player with work ethic. 

 

I can't prove it based on the limited information we have, but I think he may have just snapped after getting paid. 

 

The Titans are normally very thorough and good at getting a read on football character, and they prioritize it above all else. 

 

What we do know is they took a project OT with known "immaturity" issues with pick 29, unfortunately JRob took a massive gamble with a first round pick on a guy purely on his physical traits.

[tgo]

51 minutes ago, ctm said:

Regardless of Wilson's issues, he wasn't worth the 29th pick.  He wasn't ready to play in the NFL and there were plenty of players available who were.

 

Disagree, at the time I thought it was the best pick Robinson had made outside of Simmons. Before he snapped and had a psychological meltdown. 

 

Perfect fit for our offense, just needed some technique development and fell out of condition due to the covid offseason. 

 

You just wanted to draft another position. 

[ctm]

6 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

Disagree, at the time I thought it was the best pick Robinson had made outside of Simmons. Before he snapped and had a psychological meltdown. 

 

Perfect fit for our offense, just needed some technique development and fell out of condition due to the covid offseason. 

 

You just wanted to draft another position. 

 I didn't think Wilson was worth the pick because he wouldn't contribute this year.  So far the Titans have paid him over 6.5M and gotten nothing in return.  I wanted a contributor, not a project.

 

It wasn't just him falling out of condition.  No one, except maybe you who loved the pick, though he was ready to contribute this year

 

[tgo]

6 minutes ago, ctm said:

 I didn't think Wilson was worth the pick because he wouldn't contribute this year.  So far the Titans have paid him over 6.5M and gotten nothing in return.  I wanted a contributor, not a project.

 

It wasn't just him falling out of condition.  No one, except maybe you who loved the pick, though he was ready to contribute this year

 

 

We did get a contributor in round 2 though (albeit derailed by injuries). I think people would have been happier if Fulton was drafted in round 1 and Wilson in round 2. 

 

And from the onset, I wasn't counting on him contributing this year unless it was deep into the year. 

 

I don't think it's a concrete principle that first round picks must contribute heavily in year 1, esp. on a deep playoff team. 

 

But the problem now with Wilson is we don't know if he will contribute in year 2 either, or ever. As I said - it appears to be a failed pick until proven otherwise. 

[AussieTitanFan08]

37 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

Disagree, at the time I thought it was the best pick Robinson had made outside of Simmons. Before he snapped and had a psychological meltdown. 

 

Perfect fit for our offense, just needed some technique development and fell out of condition due to the covid offseason. 

 

You just wanted to draft another position. 

 

It was a massive gamble to take a player who was so raw in the first round which looks like to be a total disaster now.

 

While I agree the new covid world has played a part in Wilson falling completely off the rails but also it was no secret he was an immature kid.

[ctm]

13 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

We did get a contributor in round 2 though (albeit derailed by injuries). I think people would have been happier if Fulton was drafted in round 1 and Wilson in round 2. 

 

And from the onset, I wasn't counting on him contributing this year unless it was deep into the year. 

 

I don't think it's a concrete principle that first round picks must contribute heavily in year 1, esp. on a deep playoff team. 

 

But the problem now with Wilson is we don't know if he will contribute in year 2 either, or ever. As I said - it appears to be a failed pick until proven otherwise. 

 When the team is trying to win a superbowl and the GM pushes all his salary cap chips into the middle of the table. that is exactly the time to draft  someone in the 1st round that can contribute and put the team over the top.  It's not the time to draft a long term project.  That's what rebuilding teams do.

[tgo]

2 minutes ago, AussieTitanFan08 said:

 

It was a massive gamble to take a player who was so raw in the first round which looks like to be a total disaster now.

 

While I agree the new covid world has played a part in Wilson falling completely off the rails but also it was no secret he was an immature kid.

 

It wasn't a secret? Where did you read that he was an immature kid?

 

I read every scouting report out there on him and didn't see anything about immaturity. 

 

Let's not engage in revisionist history just because it was a pick you didn't like. You didn't like the player stylistically and also didn't want an OT in the draft, I remember arguing with you about this ad nauseum leading up to the draft. 

[tgo]

Just now, ctm said:

 When the team is trying to win a superbowl and the GM pushes all his salary cap chips into the middle of the table. that is exactly the time to draft  someone in the 1st round that can contribute and put the team over the top.  It's not the time to draft a long term project.  That's what rebuilding teams do.

 

Jon Robinson disagreed. And he's a better NFL GM than you are I bet. 

[AussieTitanFan08]

Just now, tgo said:

 

It wasn't a secret? Where did you read that he was an immature kid?

 

I read every scouting report out there on him and didn't see anything about immaturity. 

 

Let's not engage in revisionist history just because it was a pick you didn't like. You didn't like the player stylistically and also didn't want an OT in the draft, I remember arguing with you about this ad nauseum leading up to the draft. 

 

Have mentioned it before Albert Breer reported it pre draft, I wasn't totally against taking an OT I was against taking a project OT at pick 29.

[ctm]

23 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

Jon Robinson disagreed. And he's a better NFL GM than you are I bet. 

Even Jrob makes mistakes.  Go ahead and defend taking a non-contributor with the 1st pick in a super bowl year.  What's the logic in that strategy?

[tgo]

8 minutes ago, ctm said:

Even Jrob makes mistakes.  Go ahead and defend taking a non-contributor with the 1st pick in a super bowl year.  What's the logic in that strategy?

 

I knew that it was a pick for the future, and likely wouldn't contribute much this year, and I thought it was worth it given his potential for dominance in our scheme.  

 

What I didn't know was that he'd turn into a headcase and maybe never play a down of meaningful football for the team. 

 

I wouldn't have advocated for the pick leading up to the draft had I known about any immaturity issues. 

[japan]

3 hours ago, tgo said:

 

Again, after that recent Tennessean article on Wilson, I don't think there is any plausible way they could have caught the potential for these issues to arise. 

 

I don't know that any of these issues existed previously, or that there was an indication they could develop. His former coaches are shocked - he was known as a smart, tough player with work ethic. 

 

I can't prove it based on the limited information we have, but I think he may have just snapped after getting paid. 

 

The Titans are normally very thorough and good at getting a read on football character, and they prioritize it above all else. 

Seemed obvious that he gained a bunch of ‘friends’ and hangers-ons after getting the money. 

[Starkiller]

I’m not worried so much about Wilson's lack of contribution this year, despite the fact that I’d hoped he would have been ready to play by now despite being raw. I’m more worried about what he brings to the table in the future. If he can turn thing around next year (or even in 2022) then he wasn’t a bust.

[ctm]

2 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

I knew that it was a pick for the future, and likely wouldn't contribute much this year, and I thought it was worth it given his potential for dominance in our scheme.  

 

What I didn't know was that he'd turn into a headcase and maybe never play a down of meaningful football for the team. 

 

I wouldn't have advocated for the pick leading up to the draft had I known about any immaturity issues. 

Why take a pick for the future when the super bowl window is open? It's difficult enough to win the SB without a 1st round non-contributor.  What's the logic?

[japan]

6 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

I’m not worried so much about Wilson's lack of contribution this year, despite the fact that I’d hoped he would have been ready to play by now despite being raw. I’m more worried about what he brings to the table in the future. If he can turn thing around next year (or even in 2022) then he wasn’t a bust.

We all are worried about that.