WVTITAN Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 The virus may cause some workers to unite. Any thoughts on this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 Hope not. Unions are not a good thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, oldschool said: Hope not. Unions are not a good thing. While you enjoy your paid holidays, weekends off, and 8 hour days. Now who's the sheep, bleating unchecked capitalistic talking points. I've come to the position that strong progressive unions around the globe are a good thing , indeed maybe the only thing , to really institutionalize better wealth distribution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, begooode said: While you enjoy your paid holidays, weekends off, and 8 hour days. Now who's the sheep, bleating unchecked capitalistic talking points. I've come to the position that strong progressive unions around the globe are a good thing , indeed maybe the only thing , to really institutionalize better wealth distribution. Project much? My view on unions is based on the fact unions foster complacency and equalize pay for those who dont work as hard. Talk to small business owners in construction or teachers across multiple states for a real a view on unions. Not what MSNBC tells you to think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVTITAN Posted March 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 Valid points on both sides. I wonder if laws will be updated concerning tipped workers etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 44 minutes ago, WVTITAN said: Valid points on both sides. I wonder if laws will be updated concerning tipped workers etc. Unions were necessary during the industrial revolution to combat factory malpractice. Now they are used as a crutch by labor forces to shirk responsibility and protect workers from reprimand whether legitimate or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 People think that this this pandemic will change our society when it’s all said and done. Sometimes pessimistically, sometimes optimistically. But I tend to think that corporate America will continue to have a stranglehold on this country through all of this, so I’m not holding out hope for a rise of worker rights or socialized healthcare being a product of this mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 3 hours ago, oldschool said: Project much? My view on unions is based on the fact unions foster complacency and equalize pay for those who dont work as hard. Talk to small business owners in construction or teachers across multiple states for a real a view on unions. Not what MSNBC tells you to think. "Project much?" *projects dated anti-labor union talking points circa 1970s,...* chest pounding "MSNBC,... blah, blah,..." to cover up your bleating: Im-a-company-man-boss! and of course your labor unionz trope is met with the simplistic counterpoint: corporations are stupid greedy, and only care about profits and will unilaterally cut benefits at their first chance! DERP!! Wealth disparity is a problem in a capitalist society and it's in our best interest to see this gap eased to a reasonable level. What are the meaningful mechanisms to ensure a sense of equity? Government, corporate self-regulation, unions or other alternatives. Our government is now little G government, having ceded much of its stewardship to corporations. For this trade-off the quality of life for most people -- the true barometer of of the wealth of an economy, imo -- has not improved at the same rate as corporate profits, even allowing for lags. Unlike the bs UnionZ BaDz monolith you advance, forward thinking and flexible labor unions with a focus on adding value are a good thing for wealth distribution, rather than relying solely on the benevolence of corporations who are ultimately only accountable to their management teams and shareholders. Of course, like any unchecked entity focused on power, unions can and will overreach and lose focus on their mission if allowed -- just like corporations have (Walmart). But to summarily dismiss them as inherently evil while sitting on your ass from their past successes is laughably short-sighted, imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 Big surprise old school would take the retarded stance. He deep throats corporations at every opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 2 hours ago, begooode said: "Project much?" *projects dated anti-labor union talking points circa 1970s,...* chest pounding "MSNBC,... blah, blah,..." to cover up your bleating: Im-a-company-man-boss! and of course your labor unionz trope is met with the simplistic counterpoint: corporations are stupid greedy, and only care about profits and will unilaterally cut benefits at their first chance! DERP!! Wealth disparity is a problem in a capitalist society and it's in our best interest to see this gap eased to a reasonable level. What are the meaningful mechanisms to ensure a sense of equity? Government, corporate self-regulation, unions or other alternatives. Our government is now little G government, having ceded much of its stewardship to corporations. For this trade-off the quality of life for most people -- the true barometer of of the wealth of an economy, imo -- has not improved at the same rate as corporate profits, even allowing for lags. Unlike the bs UnionZ BaDz monolith you advance, forward thinking and flexible labor unions with a focus on adding value are a good thing for wealth distribution, rather than relying solely on the benevolence of corporations who are ultimately only accountable to their management teams and shareholders. Of course, like any unchecked entity focused on power, unions can and will overreach and lose focus on their mission if allowed -- just like corporations have (Walmart). But to summarily dismiss them as inherently evil while sitting on your ass from their past successes is laughably short-sighted, imo. you must be a union worker, likely getting by on the backs of others who bust their asses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, WG53 said: Big surprise old school would take the retarded stance. He deep throats corporations at every opportunity. work harder and move up the ladder tv boy. I can't help that I'm an A list earner who knows how to make the system work for my benefit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, oldschool said: work harder and move up the ladder tv boy. I can't help that I'm an A list earner who knows how make the system work for my benefit. Tv boy? Wtf are you even talking about? You are no where near as smart as you think you are. You're actually pretty damn stupid on here often. You condescending attitude shows how pathetic you are. "UnIoNs ArE bAd!" Gtfo of here with clearly false bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, WG53 said: Tv boy? Wtf are you even talking about? You are no where near as smart as you think you are. You're actually pretty damn stupid on here often. You condescending attitude shows how pathetic you are. "UnIoNs ArE bAd!" Gtfo of here with clearly false bullshit. enjoy your government check. What are you going to do with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, oldschool said: you must be a union worker, likely getting by on the backs of others who bust their asses. nope. and being wrong/short-sighted is okay. Assholery, not so much. just shut it mr Labor Unions!! gee, i wonder where I'm playing golf this weekend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, oldschool said: enjoy your government check. What are you going to do with it? Oh look more illogical condescending bullshit from a clueless idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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