Would you trade Locker for Dalton straight up?

[Number9]

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Teams Ranked Based On QB

 

32. Tennessee Titans

 

After three injury-marred seasons, Locker still looked like a toolsy rookie last year. He locked onto primary receivers, threw short passes too late, and had the ball placement of a blindfolded man trying to smell open receivers. Unlike most scrambling quarterbacks, Locker is not a good passer on the run: take him out of the pocket, and his passes look like baseball sliders. A coach looking to do a lot of read-option might have a chance to rehabilitate Locker, who runs like the wind and has a killer fastball. But Whisenhunt is not a read-option guy.

That's just one man's opinion.  Insiders had Jake ranked much higher than that.  I trust them more than this report.  They had Jake ranked 31st, well ahead of Jeno Smith.

 

The Wiz is not a read-option guy.  Who says he can't learn?  Until Jake says he is not worth it, we need to stick with him.  

 

Playoffs!  Playoffs!  Playoffs!  The only thing that matters is winning the Super Bowl.  We need to wait and see what Jake does this year.  If he gets hurt again this year, we can sign him to a cheap incentive laden deal.  Dalton is going to want QB money.

[MIKE75]

That's just one man's opinion.  Insiders had Jake ranked much higher than that.  I trust them more than this report.  They had Jake ranked 31st, well ahead of Jeno Smith.

 

The Wiz is not a read-option guy.  Who says he can't learn?  Until Jake says he is not worth it, we need to stick with him.  

 

Playoffs!  Playoffs!  Playoffs!  The only thing that matters is winning the Super Bowl.  We need to wait and see what Jake does this year.  If he gets hurt again this year, we can sign him to a cheap incentive laden deal.  Dalton is going to want QB money.

 

 

If Jake Locker gets hurt again this year the team won't sign him to a cheap incentives laden deal they will be through with Locker and he will be done in Tennessee.

[scine09]

This seems like a good time to remind everyone Scine once argued Brett Favre shouldn't be in the HOF.

I hate QB's that turn the ball over at critical times and make stupid throws at times that they're not needed.

 

Favre had a great career. I never trusted him.

 

Ironically he probably had his best season AFTER I made that statement.

 

Think back to the discussion you and I had last week about all-time great players. I don't consider Favre to be there with Young, Montana, Manning, Marino and Elway just to name a few. Nor do I consider Moon, Aikman, Griese or Namath to be in that class. There are way too many people in the HOF who shouldn't be. Saying that Favre shouldn't be in is obviously a stretch because of his numbers. But the guy was just so inconsistent, particularly in big moments. He'd have that great drive or make the great throw like in the 1993 wild card game at Detroit then make one of the most boneheaded throws of all time in the 2003 playoff game at Philly in OT. He'd play a great Super Bowl then throw 6 INT's in a playoff game. You never knew which Favre you were going to get on any given day. Remember that throw he made against the Saints in the NFC Championship game in 2009? What great player makes that throw? You have to have a little bit of football smarts to know to just eat the ball, throw it away, do something. The Vikings were pretty much in FG range and the ONLY way that Minnesota loses that game is either with a missed FG or a turnover. And what happens? Brett Favre makes a throw that high schoolers are taught not to make. 

[Number9]

If Jake Locker gets hurt again this year the team won't sign him to a cheap incentives laden deal they will be through with Locker and he will be done in Tennessee.

I think you missed my point.

[Face]

I think that analysis is a bit harsh, I don't think he was that bad. I'm not a Jake guy but even I think that's a bit over the top.

Now, he does make some points. Jake was supposed to be a very good passer on the run & he hasn't been, at all. The other thing I noticed is that Fitz seemed to throw it downfield more, which makes me think Jake wasn't going through all his reads & just getting rid of the ball.

But I didn't see the same lost guy who didn't know what he's doing & only has hope in a simple, read option offense. I saw an athletic pocket QB who still needs to improve a lot & may never do so but still looked like an NFL QB.

[Face]

I hate QB's that turn the ball over at critical times and make stupid throws at times that they're not needed.

 

Favre had a great career. I never trusted him.

 

Ironically he probably had his best season AFTER I made that statement.

 

Think back to the discussion you and I had last week about all-time great players. I don't consider Favre to be there with Young, Montana, Manning, Marino and Elway just to name a few. Nor do I consider Moon, Aikman, Griese or Namath to be in that class. There are way too many people in the HOF who shouldn't be. Saying that Favre shouldn't be in is obviously a stretch because of his numbers. But the guy was just so inconsistent, particularly in big moments. He'd have that great drive or make the great throw like in the 1993 wild card game at Detroit then make one of the most boneheaded throws of all time in the 2003 playoff game at Philly in OT. He'd play a great Super Bowl then throw 6 INT's in a playoff game. You never knew which Favre you were going to get on any given day. Remember that throw he made against the Saints in the NFC Championship game in 2009? What great player makes that throw? You have to have a little bit of football smarts to know to just eat the ball, throw it away, do something. The Vikings were pretty much in FG range and the ONLY way that Minnesota loses that game is either with a missed FG or a turnover. And what happens? Brett Favre makes a throw that high schoolers are taught not to make. 

 

I actually agree with most of this. That throw in Philly in OT was one of the most disgraceful football plays I've ever seen in my entire life, maybe THE most disgraceful play. How the hell do you just flip a pop up to centerfield in OT, it was like he just got frustrated & just wanted to get rid of the ball. And what does that suck up Chris Collingsworth say? "Thats just Brett being Brett, you take the good with the bad". Excuse me, what? Because he's a great QB he can have a total disregard for the football? Favre was a no doubt HOF but the way it's set up now there's tiers within the Hall, and theres no way he's in the top one. He turned the ball over way too much. What an incredible arm talent though, I think in his prime Brett spun it better than anyone who ever played.

 

I also agree on Aikman, which is sacrilege. He was a good QB but in reality he was little more than a game manager for one of the most stacked teams of all time. Because he played in Dallas he became a celebrity & he was really just overrated. Anyone watching at the time could tell he was nowhere near as good as Steve Young & once Dallas lost that all world talent & was just an average team Aikman completely fell off & didn't carry them a bit. Possibly the most overrated QB in history, after Namath.

[scine09]

I actually agree with most of this. That throw in Philly in OT was one of the most disgraceful football plays I've ever seen in my entire life, maybe THE most disgraceful play. How the hell do you just flip a pop up to centerfield in OT, it was like he just got frustrated & just wanted to get rid of the ball. And what does that suck up Chris Collingsworth say? "Thats just Brett being Brett, you take the good with the bad". Excuse me, what? Because he's a great QB he can have a total disregard for the football? Favre was a no doubt HOF but the way it's set up now there's tiers within the Hall, and theres no way he's in the top one. He turned the ball over way too much. What an incredible arm talent though, I think in his prime Brett spun it better than anyone who ever played.

 

I also agree on Aikman, which is sacrilege. He was a good QB but in reality he was little more than a game manager for one of the most stacked teams of all time. Because he played in Dallas he became a celebrity & he was really just overrated. Anyone watching at the time could tell he was nowhere near as good as Steve Young & once Dallas lost that all world talent & was just an average team Aikman completely fell off & didn't carry them a bit. Possibly the most overrated QB in history, after Namath.

To be fair it was 4th and 26 late in the 4th if McNabb doesn't complete that pass to Freddie Mitchell the game is over and Favre never makes that throw. But you're right it may have been the worst throw in NFL history given how important the throw was.

 

Aikman had all the talent in the world and maybe the fact that he didn't have to do as much hurt him as far as his legacy is concerned. He never had to carry a team and looked more like a game manager than he should have because of the immense talent around him. There hasn't been a team since those Dallas teams that comes anywhere close to being as talented as they were (along with the early 90's 49ers). 

 

And yes, Namath is the most overrated of all time. But I would put Favre up there. His football IQ was not up to par with the all-time greats.

[IrishTitansFan]

Bullshit.

You are clueless as usual.

An informative and engaging response.

[Guest]

I think that analysis is a bit harsh, 

 

 

Part of the author's analysis is fitting the talent to Wiz' scheme i.e.: A coach looking to do a lot of read-option might have a chance to rehabilitate Locker, who runs like the wind and has a killer fastball. But Whisenhunt is not a read-option guy.

 

Under that context I'm not sure it's so harsh. Basically he;s putting Jake's 32nd place standing on equal parts Jake and Wiz. 

 

Y'know I really want Jake to make it and I like the kid and I understand it's been injury and organizational incompetence that is the only thing that has held him back but....alot of us recognized off the bat that Whiz wasn't the best fit for him given his history and pedigree. 

[abenjami]

Scine, under that analysis Peyton Manning isn't great because he threw that interception to Porter and lost the Super Bowl.

[scine09]

Scine, under that analysis Peyton Manning isn't great because he threw that interception to Porter and lost the Super Bowl.

Huge difference. The throws aren't even comparable. Those Favre throws were throws that a high schooler is taught not to make. Manning's throw was a poor throw, a poor read, whatever you call it. But he wasn't throwing up a prayer in a tie game for no apparent reason.

[Face]

Scine, under that analysis Peyton Manning isn't great because he threw that interception to Porter and lost the Super Bowl.

The Favre throw just came off as a blatant disregard for protecting the football, it almost looked like he didn't give a shit what happened to the pass.

[Face]

Part of the author's analysis is fitting the talent to Wiz' scheme i.e.: A coach looking to do a lot of read-option might have a chance to rehabilitate Locker, who runs like the wind and has a killer fastball. But Whisenhunt is not a read-option guy.

 

Under that context I'm not sure it's so harsh. Basically he;s putting Jake's 32nd place standing on equal parts Jake and Wiz. 

 

Y'know I really want Jake to make it and I like the kid and I understand it's been injury and organizational incompetence that is the only thing that has held him back but....alot of us recognized off the bat that Whiz wasn't the best fit for him given his history and pedigree. 

 

My problem with the analysis wasn't the ranking or even that he said he was bad but that he described him as basically a great athlete who couldn't hit the right side of a barn & basically has no idea what he's doing out there. He pretty much said he was Tim Tebow & his only chance was to play in a gimmick, option type offense. I think thats bullshit. In 2012, his 2nd year, he was in a very complex, spread offense with a heavy feature of option routes, one of the most complex systems in the league & he didn't look like a fish out of water. Sure, he wasn't exactly good, and maybe he missed a protection or two that got him killed, but he absolutely looked like he knew what was going on & actually had some good games before the OL was decimated. If you put Tebow in that offense he'd be benched in the 1st half.

 

My point is Jake may never make it & may be backup material, but he is not a gimmick QB & can absolutely run an NFL offense. This is not Tim Tebow, Joe Webb, or Terrelle Pryor.

[Superhorn]

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Teams Ranked Based On QB

 

32. Tennessee Titans

 

After three injury-marred seasons, Locker still looked like a toolsy rookie last year. He locked onto primary receivers, threw short passes too late, and had the ball placement of a blindfolded man trying to smell open receivers. Unlike most scrambling quarterbacks, Locker is not a good passer on the run: take him out of the pocket, and his passes look like baseball sliders. A coach looking to do a lot of read-option might have a chance to rehabilitate Locker, who runs like the wind and has a killer fastball. But Whisenhunt is not a read-option guy.

Wow.

 

Hadn't read this before.  This "analysis" is garbage.

 

Locker has his faults, and I'm not his biggest supporter, but this is how ignorance spreads.  You say stupid shit long enough and it becomes accepted as truth.

 

Locker's accuracy issues are horribly overstated.  He still struggles with anticipation, but when feet are set and he trusts his reads he's great.  Footwork year over year improved tremendously.  

 

I don't mind informed dissent about a player.  It leads to great discussion.  But, at least be informed.  Put in the time.  Watch the tape.  This type of analysis doesn't show up from someone who's bothered to do that.  Instead, he's clearly just done a cursory look, and fallen inline with the rest of the groupthink.

[Face]

Wow.

Hadn't read this before. This "analysis" is garbage.

Locker has his faults, and I'm not his biggest supporter, but this is how ignorance spreads. You say stupid shit long enough and it becomes accepted as truth.

Locker's accuracy issues are horribly overstated. He still struggles with anticipation, but when feet are set and he trusts his reads he's great. Footwork year over year improved tremendously.

I don't mind informed dissent about a player. It leads to great discussion. But, at least be informed. Put in the time. Watch the tape. This type of analysis doesn't show up from someone who's bothered to do that. Instead, he's clearly just done a cursory look, and fallen inline with the rest of the groupthink.

Agree 100%. This looks like someone who hasn't watched a second of his film & is just floating out the generic analysis people who don't like Locker give. That's what drives me nuts, sure, there's plenty to criticize & he has a ton of room to improve, but he isn't Tim Tebow.