JLocker10 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 I value an elite pass rusher much more than an elite LT A good LT is important, but how many elite LT have been part of SB winning teams in recent years? I can't think of too many Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I respect your opinion, but on what are you basing this assertion? In the most recent NFL Draft LTs went 1-2, and an elite LT is almost always in the conversation for the first overall pick. They're also at the top-end of the pay scale in the NFL... And I'm not following this line at all: "Teams can and do shuffle around their pass rushers to get a favorable matchup against slow footed run blockers." Care to elaborate for us simple folk? As for the pass rushers what I mean is that teams can and do swap which side a de or lb rushes from and move some inside to exploit matchups. Not all teams lineup their players in the same spot each down. Conventional wisdom is that a RT is the "power guy". Your run blocker types while your LT is your pass blocker. That means a RT is usually not as strong of a pass protector and gives you a better matchup for your pass rusher. As for my comments regarding LTs not all teams have adapted to the changes yet. Some won't and sone will. Look at New Orleans as an example. They value OGs much more than others. Payton understands the concept that an inside push affects a qb more than an edge rush. You can find OTs throughout the draft just like any position. It does not mean it is easy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobo Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Roos *has* shown signs. I haven't seen that. He had another good year to my eyes. The number 11 pick is what I originally responded to, so that's been my argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 If we're drafting an olineman early in the draft then I hope we trade down from 11 and get a pick or two out of the deal. We need players on defense more than we need a single guy on the oline so we'll need as many picks as we can. Moving back into the 3rd is paramount, and maybe even picking up an extra pick somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 It would be retarded to trade down when theres a pass rusher at 11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 It would be retarded to trade down when theres a pass rusher at 11. It would be just about as retarded to draft an olineman in the 1st two rounds in back to back years when defense is more strongly needed and we're down a 3rd rnd draft pick. I'm just saying we need to make a trade somewhere to move back into the 3rd if we're going oline in the 1st or 2nd. Do you really want our next pick on D after 11 to be in the 4th round? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Coulldnt care less , if we got a pass rusher at 11 that is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLocker10 Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I wouldn't trade down from 11. Maybe from our 2nd Other than Bridgewater, OLB is the next thing I'd want. I'm skeptical Barr will be sitting there. Mack maybe. But I feel pretty confident that the Ford kid and/or the Ealy kid will be sitting there when it's our turn to select. I'm not that interested in a Tuitt, Hageman, or Donald for us. We need a weakside pass rusher more than anything else on defense. Nix would be ok but I wouldn't take him over a pass rusher If we do go pass rusher at 11, I'm fairly open minded about where else we can go with our draft. If they do draft an OT with the 2nd pick, I'd like it to be someone who they feel can take Roos's spot at some point and not a guy who can only play RT. I do think they should draft an OT at some point in this draft, not necessarily round 1 or 2 though To me, this RB class reeks of wait til day 3. The Ellis kid could be an option at NT for us. Mettenberger or Garoppolo could be sitting there round 2. I know these aren't our biggest needs, but if the Seferian Jenkins kid was sitting there by the time our 2nd pick rolls around or those two huge CB from the Sr Bowl (Baptiste and McGill) were sitting there I'd at least give it some thought. I don't know where Benjamin is going to go, but if he was sitting there round 2 I'd think about it as well. It's a pretty talented WR class Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Andbeans Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 I'm warming up to Nix. From what I'm seeing he plays as a true nose tackle with some pass rush ability. He's almost always lined up on the nose or as a 1-tech... occasionally as a 3-tech. He is excellent against double teams and rarely gets moved off his spot. He frequently two gaps without giving ground. He has really good quickness to beat the center with an initial move. He has power. I has a great motor - chases plays all over the field and doesn't run out of gas at the end of games. I think he'd be a great fit for our Dline and he'd help us move Casey around against different linemen. Out of those two games I saw him truly moved off his spot maybe 2-3 times. His LBs made some mistakes filling the wrong gaps at times but I thought he looked good - really tough for the center to play against. Not too many splash plays (tough to have those as a nose) but at 8:01 in the second video he jumps off the snap splits the blockers and gets the RB down in the backfield. He made a similar play earlier in that video. He has a pretty special burst for a guy that big and it showed up constantly in the first video - was a handful for that center. I think he can be truly good as both a 1gap and 2 gapper - that can do a lot for a scheme based on versatility and changing fronts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 Nix is the first player i studied for the draft this year and i came away unimpressed. I first watched him in the National Championship game and he was pushed around pretty easily and hes a non factor in the passing game. Hes likely a 2 down player at the next level. Didnt see a lot of effort with him. The year we turn turn into a 3-4 we have 3, possibly 4 candidates, to be an OLB that can rush the passer if you include Ealy, i dont see anyway we pass that up for a 2 down player. Id also even choose Tuitt and the kid from Minnesota as DEs, that would play 3 downs over Nix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 The colts are still the team to beat in the division and the interior of their OL is very weak. A disruptive DT would help limit Luck's mobility within the pocket which is one of his biggest assets. Nix makes a lot of sense, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 The colts are still the team to beat in the division and the interior of their OL is very weak. A disruptive DT would help limit Luck's mobility within the pocket which is one of his biggest assets. Nix makes a lot of sense, IMO. Nix is not a pass rusher. If you want a pass rusher on the DL, Tuitt is your guy. Nix has 2.5 sacks in his career Tuitt has 21.5 sacks in his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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