Syria became a perfect political football for President Obama

[headhunter]

Im glad i didnt hold my breath

[Starkiller]

Too busy to post earlier.

 

 

What has Obama done to earn your support?

 

Am I limited to only what he has managed to get passed despite constant GOP filibusters?

 

If so, he managed to bring home the troops from Iraq as well as begin the process of bringing them home from Afghanistan. He took out Osama Bin Laden as well as other Al Qaeda leaders. He ended US forced engaging in torture. He got healthcare reform passed (an improvement on the system, even though it wasn't true universal healthcare). He got a successful (if not too small) stimulus passed, saved the auto industry, and passed (modest) financial reforms. He repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell. He got rid of some of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy (though not enough). He cut out the middle man from student loans. He passed a new GI Bill.

 

As for what he tried to do that the GOP has blocked, he had multiple jobs bills that centered around repairing our failing infrastructure. He pushed for a binding deficit reduction commission (Simpson-Boles). He pushed the Dream Act and a change in immigration rules. And if not for filibusters, he would have had better results on the bills that he did get passed (healthcare, stimulus, tax reform, finance reform, etc).

 

Further, and this is just as important as what he did accomplish and tried to accomplish, he didn't spend his time fucking up like Dubya did. If Congress had blocked most of what Bush tried to pass, we'd be a better country today. So a lack of trying to pass stupid shit that the Bush admin did is reason enough to support Obama. I only have to remember the days of social security privatization, unpaid for Medicare Part D, tax cuts for the wealthy, invading Iraq, backing predatory lending, bankruptcy reform, etc and think how lucky we are to have Obama (or really anyone not in the modern GOP) in office now.

[Starkiller]

 I definitely admit to personal attacks on you and reo. Because it is just so funny to read posts from people without basic history knowledge that it is hard to believe that you are not mentally disabled. 

 How many wars started by Democratic President? You've missed Bay of Pigs, Invasion of Dominican Republic, Haiti, Bosnia, bombings of Iraq and Sudan, Lybia, and a few others.

 And that is only since 1960.

 

You asked for the last war started by a Democratic president I don't agree with. I gave you the last one I disagreed with, not a comprehensive historical list.

 

But I have no particular need to defend Democrats. Democratic presidents have done plenty of things wrong over the years. Plus, the ideological foundations of the parties have shifted over the years, and I'm in it based on ideology, not party affiliation.

[headhunter]

Too busy to post earlier.

Am I limited to only what he has managed to get passed despite constant GOP filibusters?

If so, he managed to bring home the troops from Iraq as well as begin the process of bringing them home from Afghanistan. He took out Osama Bin Laden as well as other Al Qaeda leaders. He ended US forced engaging in torture. He got healthcare reform passed (an improvement on the system, even though it wasn't true universal healthcare). He got a successful (if not too small) stimulus passed, saved the auto industry, and passed (modest) financial reforms. He repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell. He got rid of some of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy (though not enough). He cut out the middle man from student loans. He passed a new GI Bill.

As for what he tried to do that the GOP has blocked, he had multiple jobs bills that centered around repairing our failing infrastructure. He pushed for a binding deficit reduction commission (Simpson-Boles). He pushed the Dream Act and a change in immigration rules. And if not for filibusters, he would have had better results on the bills that he did get passed (healthcare, stimulus, tax reform, finance reform, etc).

Further, and this is just as important as what he did accomplish and tried to accomplish, he didn't spend his time fucking up like Dubya did. If Congress had blocked most of what Bush tried to pass, we'd be a better country today. So a lack of trying to pass stupid shit that the Bush admin did is reason enough to support Obama. I only have to remember the days of social security privatization, unpaid for Medicare Part D, tax cuts for the wealthy, invading Iraq, backing predatory lending, bankruptcy reform, etc and think how lucky we are to have Obama (or really anyone not in the modern GOP) in office now.

I dont understand why Bush is always mentioned when it comes to Obama, Ive never mentioned Bush on here, ever. You can blame Bush all you want for what hes done but you gotta hold Obama accountable as well.

[Starkiller]

I dont understand why Bush is always mentioned when it comes to Obama, Ive never mentioned Bush on here, ever. You can blame Bush all you want for what hes done but you gotta hold Obama accountable as well.

You don't have to bring him up. It's obvious to compare a current president with his predecessor. People compared Bush to Clinton, Clinton to Bush, Reagan to Carter, etc.

But you asked why I support him. Part of that is because I remember the dark days of Dubya and it's easy to compare.

As for holding Obama accountable, I have no problem saying that I haven't agreed with everything. Part of that is because the GOP blocked him. Other times its because I genuinely thought they should have gone another direction. But I also understand that Obama was handed a shitty situation and also got saddled with a GOP intent on not letting him try to fix it his way.

[Little Earl]

As for holding Obama accountable, I have no problem saying that I haven't agreed with everything. Part of that is because the GOP blocked him. Other times its because I genuinely thought they should have gone another direction. But I also understand that Obama was handed a shitty situation and also got saddled with a GOP intent on not letting him try to fix it his way.

 

LOL!    Obama was so saddled with unstoppable majority in Congress when he got elected.  Only a partisan hack could make a statement like that.

[Starkiller]

LOL!    Obama was so saddled with unstoppable majority in Congress when he got elected.  Only a partisan hack could make a statement like that.

 

You don't know what the hell you are talking about, though that never stops you from repeating this old chestnut. The super majority was functionally a myth. They mathematically only had one for 3 months, and that's only if you count independent Joe Lieberman and conservative Democrats who often vote with Republicans and ignore missing Democrats. Because of health issues, Senators Kennedy and Byrd were not able to vote in the Senate for most of the time after Obama was elected. And Al Franken wasn't declared the winner in Minnesota until July 2009.

So no, there was no 60 vote Democratic Senate majority for any extended period of time under Obama. They had to wheel in Byrd just to get the Obamacare passed in the Senate. And Kennedy's seat was filled by a Republican in February 2010.

 

The GOP had the power to filibuster EVERY bill in the Senate outside that 3 month period. And even then, with Byrd dying and not present, they basically could filibuster every single vote outside of when they brought him in to vote for Obamacare. The Democrats needed 60 votes to pass anything. They virtually never had 60 senators present for any vote.

[IsntLifeFunny]

HAHA they truly no longer exist.

 

When Rand Paul and Ron Paul (admit I'm a fan because they're a thorn in both parties' side)makes more sense than the rest of em, then they should know they're in trouble.

[IsntLifeFunny]

Too busy to post earlier.

 

 

 

Am I limited to only what he has managed to get passed despite constant GOP filibusters?

 

If so, he managed to bring home the troops from Iraq as well as begin the process of bringing them home from Afghanistan. He took out Osama Bin Laden as well as other Al Qaeda leaders. He ended US forced engaging in torture. He got healthcare reform passed (an improvement on the system, even though it wasn't true universal healthcare). He got a successful (if not too small) stimulus passed, saved the auto industry, and passed (modest) financial reforms. He repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell. He got rid of some of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy (though not enough). He cut out the middle man from student loans. He passed a new GI Bill.

 

As for what he tried to do that the GOP has blocked, he had multiple jobs bills that centered around repairing our failing infrastructure. He pushed for a binding deficit reduction commission (Simpson-Boles). He pushed the Dream Act and a change in immigration rules. And if not for filibusters, he would have had better results on the bills that he did get passed (healthcare, stimulus, tax reform, finance reform, etc).

 

Further, and this is just as important as what he did accomplish and tried to accomplish, he didn't spend his time fucking up like Dubya did. If Congress had blocked most of what Bush tried to pass, we'd be a better country today. So a lack of trying to pass stupid shit that the Bush admin did is reason enough to support Obama. I only have to remember the days of social security privatization, unpaid for Medicare Part D, tax cuts for the wealthy, invading Iraq, backing predatory lending, bankruptcy reform, etc and think how lucky we are to have Obama (or really anyone not in the modern GOP) in office now.

Wow. It's so tough from the outside looking in to see how any sane person could say these things. Both paragraphs represent the terrible policies of big government being forced down America's throat. Bush was awful, and so is Obama. Hell, I even like the guy's speeches, but he has lied several times, outright, and has been caught in several scandals that are yet to be handled.

 

He didn't take us out of Iraq; that was a preset date.

Despite the goals Obama met, most of the timetable for leaving Iraq was in place before he took office.

The prevailing document, the 2008 Status of Forces Agreement, was negotiated between the Bush administration and the Iraqi prime minister Nuri al-Maliki. That’s what set the deadline of Dec. 31, 2011, for all U.S. troops to leave Iraq.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/nov/03/barack-obama/ad-says-obama-reason-iraq-pullout/

 

He didn't stop rendition, and he's drone attacked American Citizens without due process, one of them being an unarmed minor.

Four American citizens have been killed in counter-terrorism drone strikes since 2009, the Obama administration acknowledged for the first time Wednesday.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/22/four-americans-killed-since-200-in-drone-strikes-holder-says/#ixzz2fP9CLmr7

 

He's expanded drone attacks and NSA domestic spying.

The self-identified “author of the Patriot Act” has had a swift change of heart on surveillance.

In a letter to Attorney-General Eric Holder last week, Republican Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin asked: “How could the phone records of so many innocent Americans be relevant to an authorized investigation as required by the Act?” In a separate newspaper column, Sensenbrenner went further, claiming the administration was abusing the law.

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/06/14/sensenbrenner-furious-that-he-wasnt-briefed-on-nsa-programs-skipped-the-briefings/

 

We have accumulated more debt under his administration than any other entity in history. The only entity that could match the debt accumulated under him would be the United States debt under the previous presidents combined.

Less than two months into President Obama's second term, new numbers show the national debt increased by more than $6 trillion since he took office.

It's the largest increase to date under any U.S. president. During the eight-year presidency of George W. Bush, the debt soared by $4.9 trillion.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57572177/national-debt-up-$6-trillion-since-obama-took-office/

 

He never closed GITMO, which was another lie.

"As president, Barack Obama will close the detention facility at Guantanamo."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/177/close-the-guantanamo-bay-detention-center/

 

Obamacare is a failure (openly shown by the president unilaterally halting the mandate on business, and outright admitted by the Baucus calling it a "train wreck"). Obamacare should be viewed as a mockery by liberals. He couldn't even secure a public option, and he cut big pharma out of the bill.

 

"As you somewhat know, Madam Secretary, I'm a bit -- I'm a bit Johnny One-Note on implementation of the law, especially with respect to signups and exchanges, etc., and am very concerned not enough is being done so far. Very concerned.

"When I am home, small businesses have no idea what to do, what to expect. They don't know what affordability rules are; they don't know when penalties may apply. They just don't know.

"I mean, it just -- I was talking to one CPA -- you know, he's not histrionic, he's just being straight with me. He says, ‘Max, I just got to tell you that, you know, my -- my -- my clients, small business people, are just throwing their hands up, and I don't know what to tell them.’ So that's just from the small business perspective, let alone all the other issues that are going to be arising here.

"As I discussed earlier and as you well know, a lot of people have no idea about all of this. People just don't know a lot about it. And the Kaiser poll pointed that out.

"I understand you've hired a contractor. I'm just worried that that's going to be money down the drain because contractors like to make money more than they do like to do anything else. That's their job. They've got to worry about their shareholders and whatnot.

"And also, all the other agencies are all involved. People are going to be really confused. And maybe give some thought to one-stop shopping somehow, so you go to one location -- a business person -- one location, get the answers.

"I just tell you, I just see a huge train wreck coming down. You and I have discussed this many times and I don't see any results yet.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/article/2013/aug/06/context-obamacare-train-wreck/

 

He saved the auto industry? Laughable. Detroit has gone bankrupt under his presidency. California is close to the edge and has a trillion dollars in debt.Both are collapsing under liberal policies.

A study released earlier today by the California Public Policy Center entitled “Calculating California’s Total State and Local Government Debt” has estimated that state and local government debt is somewhere between $848 billion and $1.12 trillion. This is the first attempt we’ve ever seen by anyone to provide an estimate.

http://unionwatch.org/californias-statelocal-governments-confront-1-0-trillion-in-debt/

 

He's wasted billions on failed green energy (Solandra is only a drop in the bucket).

The 2009 stimulus set aside $80 billion to subsidize politically preferred energy projects. Since that time, 1,900 investigations have been opened to look into stimulus waste, fraud, and abuse (although not all are linked to the green-energy funds), and nearly 600 convictions have been made. Of that $80 billion in clean energy loans, grants, and tax credits, at least 10 percent has gone to companies that have since either gone bankrupt or are circling the drain.

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/18/president-obamas-taxpayer-backed-green-energy-failures/

 

IRS scandal. NSA scandal.

 

He's now been shown as a rank amateur and has allowed Russia to take on international prominence they haven't seen since the Cold War.

 

We are bleeding full time jobs. Companies are removing their workers health benefits, and we can only hope Obamacare can pick up the slack, but it won't because it was designed to fail.

Bureau of Labor Statistics data show that the ratio of part-time to full-time jobs has completely flipped this year from historical trends.  Last year, six full-time jobs were created for every one part time job.  This year, only one full-time job is being created for every four new part-time jobs.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gracemarieturner/2013/08/27/its-fact-not-anecdote-that-obamacare-is-turning-us-into-a-part-time-nation/

 

The Democrats are already spewing they want another chance to get single payer, as if the American Republic will ever allow them another chance after the Obamacare debacle.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/45755822/ns/msnbc-the_ed_show/vp/52724721

 

I hated Bush. I just can't understand why people are so damn partisan. The man was an amateur from the beginning and was unqualified in every facet to hold his position. He's shown as much.

[WG53]

Talk about so much fail.

[Starkiller]

HAHA they truly no longer exist.

 

When Rand Paul and Ron Paul (admit I'm a fan because they're a thorn in both parties' side)makes more sense than the rest of em, then they should know they're in trouble.

This explains the libertarian BS...

[IsntLifeFunny]

And neither of you dumbasses can say anything negating anything I've said. You both fail. Especially you WG.

[IsntLifeFunny]

Oh, and notice how the majority of my sources are 'Liberal'. Have fun defending or denying anything in my above destruction of your liberal wet dreams.

 

And I'm not a Libertarian. I just enjoy the people and perspectives that hammer away at the ever encroaching nature of the Federal Government, war machine, domestic spying machine, and debt accumulator. Try to deny anything I said above. You will fail as it's nothing but facts.

[Starkiller]

He didn't take us out of Iraq; that was a preset date. He didn't stop rendition, and he's drone attacked American Citizens without due process, one of them being an unarmed minor. He's expanded drone attacks and NSA domestic spying.

What he said during the campaign was what led to that date. That aside, he was the guy who took the troops out. If he is going to take blame for stuff he inherited, at least credit him for the opposite.

I don't think rendition or the NSA are any bigger now than under Bush. Not something for Obama to gloat about, but I doubt they are significantly different than before.

As for drones, I have no problem with their use (though I do with the civilian casualties, obviously). Hell, he campaigned on more drone use.

 

We have accumulated more debt under his administration than any other entity in history. The only entity that could match the debt accumulated under him would be the United States debt under the previous presidents combined.

The deficit is due to the poor economy and much smaller tax revenues, not anything Obama has done wrong. In fact, it's now cheaper than any time in history for America to borrow money. History shows that the best way out of a depression is government stimulus spending, so cutting the budget drastically hurts the economy.

 

He never closed GITMO, which was another lie.

Not a lie. A failed promise, but not a lie. He tried to close it, but Congress wouldn't do it. He can't do it on his own.

 

Obamacare is a failure (openly shown by the president unilaterally halting the mandate on business, and outright admitted by the Baucus calling it a "train wreck"). Obamacare should be viewed as a mockery by liberals. He couldn't even secure a public option, and he cut big pharma out of the bill.

Obamacare has hardly begun, so it's idiotic to call it a failure already. Plus, we have the benefit of seeing how a very similar plan already worked very successfully in Sweden. Obamacare isn't a liberal bill because there weren't enough liberals in the Senate to pass single payer, much less a public option. But the ACA is an improvement on the current system.

 

The fact is, if Obamacare fails, it's clearly due to obstruction from the right. States with Democratic leaders are seeing significant improvements so far. States with GOP leadership are doing their best to hobble reform efforts specifically to cause the system to fail. They are playing politics with people's healthcare rather than trying to do what's best for their constituents.

He saved the auto industry? Laughable. Detroit has gone bankrupt under his presidency. California is close to the edge and has a trillion dollars in debt.

He did it, and it's only laughable that you say it's laughable

Neither Detroit or California have anything to do with Obama.

 

He's wasted tens of billions on failed green energy (Solandra is only a drop in the bucket).

No he hasn't. The green energy program has been mostly successful. In fact, the failure rate of the companies who got those loans has been pretty comparable to the failure rate of companies funded by hedge funds.

 

IRS scandal. Benghazi scandal. NSA scandal.

Neither the IRS problem now Benghazi were scandals. They were ginned up tempests in a teapot from the right for political purposes.

 

I wouldn't call the NSA a scandal, but it's an issue that has been with us forever. The NSA has been spying on phone calls since the Cold War. I'm hoping the government can make some changes in the NSA, but a lot of what people are complaining about is perfectly fine (IMHO).

He's now been shown as a rank amateur and has allowed Russia to taken on international prominence they haven't seen since the Cold War.

Russia always had international prominence. The fact that they have a veto on the Us Security Council is the only problem here.

 

We are bleeding full time jobs.

The GOP keeps blocking Obama's jobs plans. Where are all the alternate jobs bills coming from the House?

Companies are removing their workers health benefits, and we can only hope Obamacare can pick up the slack, but it won't because it was designed to fail. The Democrats are already spewing they want another chance to get single payer, as if the American Republic will ever allow them another chance after the Obamacare debacle.

Companies have been doing that before Obamacare ever existed. That's a function of companies trying to save money, not a failure of Obamacare.

I want a chance at single payer, too, but it's not happening as long as the GOB has any chance to block it. That's why we didn't get it before. And the medical industry will spend billions on campaign donations to make sure it never happens.

[WG53]

And neither of you dumbasses can say anything negating anything I've said. You both fail. Especially you WG.

Yeah blame Obama for the 2009 budget that was in place before he was elected and then say the garbage about the deficit. Seems legit.