scine09 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 I'd love to see a national poll. Who would you rather have? Joe Webb or Vince Young? Would it be 90-10 in favor of Young? 95-5 in favor of Young? I can tell you one thing. It wouldn't be close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 I'd love to see a national poll. Who would you rather have? Joe Webb or Vince Young? Would it be 90-10 in favor of Young? 95-5 in favor of Young? I can tell you one thing. It wouldn't be close. Despite Vince Young's overwhelming advantage in name recognition, I think you might be surprised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 I wish we could find the old thread the day the Titans drafted Vince Young. That would be some fun reading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Here's a recent article about Joe Webb having to earn his backup QB spot after the bad playoff game. The first thing to note is that, as bad as his playoff performance was, he still didn't quit on his team. So right there he is ahead of Vince. But, more remarkable is it goes through all the usual suspects as potential guys to bring in to compete - And Vince isn't even mentioned in the conversation. It's like he is not even an option. Not even in the fan comments section! They even mention his Buffalo Bills nemesis - that fiesty Tyler Thigpen. So, for at least one additional fan base and set of beat writers, Joe Webb > Vince Young. http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/72907/vikings-joe-webb-must-win-job-back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 I'm not defending Young's attitude Legal. My whole premise in this discussion, and you can go back several pages, is that Young is a better quarterback than many on rosters right now. That's all. You're making too much of what I said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Joe Webb would absolutely win that poll against VY and it's just another thing Scine can't get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 I'm not defending Young's attitude Legal. My whole premise in this discussion, and you can go back several pages, is that Young is a better quarterback than many on rosters right now. That's all. You're making too much of what I said. No, I understand your point. And I am saying that point is wrong. How is quitting on your team in the middle of a playoff game not a factor in evaluating a QB? You do realize mental toughness is part and parcel of the talent a QB needs to succeed in the NFL, right? Even taking that out, like OMAN says, Young lacks what it takes at each and every aspect of what it takes to succeed at QB. His physical skills at running are gone, and even when he was at his prime he never had a good understanding of down and distance, as he would dive for extra yards when already pass the sticks, or run out of bounds before the sticks. And that was at his prime. He has the worst throwing mechanics I have ever seen. He is awful at reading defenses. He can't grasp a playbook. He is not a student of the game. He is a turnover machine, both INTs and fumbles, and like Aaron Brooks has a knack for turning the ball over at the worst times. In what area does he have all this untapped talent that stupid NFL GMs are failing to capitalize on? Are you defining talent just on physical skills? Please explain your definition of what it means for an NFL QB to be talented. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 No, I understand your point. And I am saying that point is wrong. How is quitting on your team in the middle of a playoff game not a factor in evaluating a QB? You do realize mental toughness is part and parcel of the talent a QB needs to succeed in the NFL, right? Even taking that out, like OMAN says, Young lacks what it takes at each and every aspect of what it takes to succeed at QB. His physical skills at running are gone, and even when he was at his prime he never had a good understanding of down and distance, as he would dive for extra yards when already pass the sticks, or run out of bounds before the sticks. And that was at his prime. He has the worst throwing mechanics I have ever seen. He is awful at reading defenses. He can't grasp a playbook. He is not a student of the game. He is a turnover machine, both INTs and fumbles, and like Aaron Brooks has a knack for turning the ball over at the worst times. In what area does he have all this untapped talent that stupid NFL GMs are failing to capitalize on? Are you defining talent just on physical skills? Please explain your definition of what it means for an NFL QB to be talented. I'm trying to say that as far as pure quarterbacking, the on the field stuff, Young is a better player than many of the players on rosters right now. He's clearly an immature baby and I wouldn't want him starting for my team or even as a backup. But if given the choice of Young versus some of the other lost causes in the league it's a no-brainer who I'd take. We could go back and forth about his actual play at the position but we've been down that road. My assertion on Young is that if you take him right now and put him on, say the Jets, he would do better and so would the team with him at QB than Mark Sanchez. Young is a better starter than a backup if that makes sense to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Please stop asking him to explain stuff. We have heard it all before. Here is the way the conversation would go after we put up the poll (anywhere but here) for fans to vote on who they would prefer Webb vs. Young and Young lost in a landslide: Scine: I just don;t understand how fans can pick a guy who blah blah blah... CTF: Here is the reason again Scine. Blah,blah, blah Scine: No that's totally wrong....but I still am confused as to how fans can pick blah blah blah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Ok. I disagree. In that situation, I believe he would be just as much a disaster, if not moreso, than Mark Sanchez as a starting QB. My assertion on Young is that if you take him right now and put him on, say the Jets, he would do better and so would the team with him at QB than Mark Sanchez. Young is a better starter than a backup if that makes sense to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Fair enough. We'll never know but it would be nice if Young did get 16 games again just to show what he could, or couldn't, do. I don't think Young will ever make it as a backup QB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Young would not be better than Sanchez. Although watching the NY media and fan base eat him alive would be a dream come true sadly it will never come to pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 You highlighted the reasons that no one should sign him Oilerman. He'd be a terrible backup. He'd be a better starter though IMO than certain starting QB's, however. LOL! He's not good enough to backup, but he is to start? Seriously? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Although watching the NY media and fan base eat him alive would be a dream come true sadly it will never come to pass. My god, I didn't even consider that when responding to the comparison, although I have talked about that issue before many times. Vince thinks he had it bad in the dog-eat-dog world of hard-hitting Nashville journalism. Could you imagine New York? Or could you imagine him facing some of the stuff McNabb put up with in Philly for a full season? That was the most laughable and unforgivable part to me of the dark Vince Young years. He felt he was treated unfairly in Nashville - FREAKING NASHVILLE! Who, by the way, was ready to embrace him and did embrace him from day one. Hell all of us got caught up in Vince mania during that run his rookie year, including you and I. And then a cold dose of reality hit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 LOL! He's not good enough to backup, but he is to start? Seriously? I think Young needs to have the security of being a starter to put forth his full effort. He's not the type of player you want coming off the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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