TrueLuvYaBlue77 Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 Let's put Mike Vrabel with Arthur Smith in NY (Jets) with Patrick Mahomes. Derrick Henry and Ryan Fitzpatrick under Reid and Bieniemy. Ryan Tannehill with Belichick and McDaniels in New England and Aarron Rodgers under Urban Meyer in Jacksonville. Same rosters from 2020 with these magic wand moves. Who has the most success going into 2021 and 2022, giving the experiment two years? At least we'd see the real LaFleur stand up and out the Rodgers comfortable shadow of winning. Maybe the real worth of coaching vs player talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 I think this has been proven over and over and over. Belichick's record as a HC with and without Brady Carroll with Wilson versus prior.... Fatty with and without Favre and Rodgers Fisher with McNair versus without Vrabel/Smith with Mariota and then with Tannehill Bruce Arians with Carson Palmer and without him or Brady Whisenhunt with everyone but Warner Even go back to Bill Walsh without Montana or Young Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 I'd add that Joe Gibbs might be the only multiple winner SB coach who did it with various good but not great QB's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ToneTerror Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 hour ago, BudsOilers said: I think this has been proven over and over and over. Belichick's record as a HC with and without Brady Carroll with Wilson versus prior.... Fatty with and without Favre and Rodgers Fisher with McNair versus without Vrabel/Smith with Mariota and then with Tannehill Bruce Arians with Carson Palmer and without him or Brady Whisenhunt with everyone but Warner Even go back to Bill Walsh without Montana or Young That’s why franchises will sell their souls for a franchise QB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Andy Reid is a great example of this, for both sides of the argument. He's had a lot of success in various roles, including Head Coach. He's done it with some shitty QB's. Now he has a potential HoFer. Grudgingly, I'd put BB in the same category. He had tremendous success in NY (but with future HoF defensive players) and success in Cleveland during a rough ownership period. But, as the OP mentioned, without the great talent in the most crucial positions (QB), it doesn't matter how good your leadership is. You gotta have it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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