heyitsmeallen Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 16 minutes ago, ChesterCopperpot1 said: So the authors of the constitution call it a right -- multiple times; more than any other right -- but that doesn't make it right? Listen to that logic. If that's the case then we don't really have any rights. Then the right to bear arms isn't really a right because they never expressly state "citizens have the right to bear arms." They simply state "the right to bears arms shall not be infringed upon." The right to bear arms is also debated for the same reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, heyitsmeallen said: The right to bear arms is also debated for the same reason. I have always subscribed to the belief the authors of the Constitution were referring to militia and not the citizenry when it comes to the right to bear arms. Its a fascinating debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot1 Posted May 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 12 minutes ago, heyitsmeallen said: The right to bear arms is also debated for the same reason. It doesn't expressly give us the right to warrantless searches and seizures. It just says the right to be free from them shall not be violated. I guess we don't have a right to that either. Or the right to freedom of speech, assembly, to the free exercise of our religion. See where I'm going here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 When the constitution was written, not everyone had the right to vote. I think some of you guys are misunderstanding how the constitution is applied to voter rights. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 1 hour ago, oldschool said: I have always subscribed to the belief the authors of the Constitution were referring to militia and not the citizenry when it comes to the right to bear arms. Its a fascinating debate. It is a fascinating debate but many quotes from the framers suggests that it was always intended as a check against the Federal Government's ability to raise a standing Army and so people would be harder to enslave if they were all allowed to own weapons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 @oldschool think you're the one missing the forest for the trees. All citizens have a right to vote. This is a fundamental principle of democracy. It's not a privilege like a license to pilot a 2 ton death machine around the country side. The right to vote is in fact mentioned more often than any other right in the Constitution. Thus rules restricting voting have a higher level of scrutiny. It's the rallying cry and foundation of our democracy. No taxation without representation etc. There is a long history of suppressing the vote through poll taxes, gerrymandering, etc. All of which has been ruled unconstitutional. And it's still going on. People are getting thrown off the rolls for having similar - not even the same names as felons. Because the goal is to suppress the vote, not just felons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Why shouldn't felons have the right to vote? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Just now, patsplat said: Why shouldn't felons have the right to vote? Because they're felons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 If you are counted towards a Congressional Representative, you should be able to vote. Period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Justafan said: Because they're felons. This tautology weakens democracy, you can use it against any population. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Voting is a right (at least it is meant to be). That doesn't mean states don't have a right and responsibility to ensure the vote is both fair and impartial and free of fraud and the only way to do that is to require people to identify themselves. If they show up and can't vote because they don't have an ID even though they knew the rules... that isn't voter suppression. That is an idiot giving up his right to vote because he refuses to do the things he/she had to do to make that happen. The reasoning here is akin to saying the govt doesn't have a right to require people to register because it takes five minutes of someone's time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, patsplat said: This tautology weakens democracy, you can use it against any population. I don't care. We don't live in a true democracy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, patsplat said: If you are counted towards a Congressional Representative, you should be able to vote. Period. Your opinion. Believe it or not, there is another side to that coin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot1 Posted May 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, patsplat said: Why shouldn't felons have the right to vote? It's stupid. It's incredibly easy to catch a class E felony here in Tennessee, which might as well be a misdemeanor on HGH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Just now, Justafan said: Your opinion. Believe it or not, there is another side to that coin. Should felons count as 3/5ths of a person? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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