OILERMAN Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 The group looked like on of our strongest units a year ago when Hass was throwing the ball. Remember back then, they were supposedly awesome and it was Hass that was the problem. Against the Falcons Washington had 9 catches 115yds and 2 TDs, guess who was throwing the ball? Against the Saints NW had 6 catches 130yds and 2 TDs, guess who was throwing the ball? The WRs racked up better stats when MH wasn't the one throwing the ball. MH scored about 3 points in each of those games If you didn't think MH was a problem you don't know much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMJ Posted January 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Against the Falcons Washington had 9 catches 115yds and 2 TDs, guess who was throwing the ball? Against the Saints NW had 6 catches 130yds and 2 TDs, guess who was throwing the ball? The WRs racked up better stats when MH wasn't the one throwing the ball. MH scored about 3 points in each of those games If you didn't think MH was a problem you don't know much LOL Both those examples were in garbage time. If you replace Locker with Young, you wouldn't even use those examples. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Well if we're talking about just putting up numbers, Hass did enough of that one way or another to set Titans passing records... so yeah he probably played a big role in passing numbers WRs put up in the 2011 season. The reality is that the question of who passed them those balls (Hass, obviously) is irrelevant. The WRs all had career numbers in 2011 because all of their respective careers were nearly numberless previously. We then overrated their value for 2012. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pragidealist Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Well if we're talking about just putting up numbers, Hass did enough of that one way or another to set Titans passing records... so yeah he probably played a big role in passing numbers WRs put up in the 2011 season. The reality is that the question of who passed them those balls (Hass, obviously) is irrelevant. The WRs all had career numbers in 2011 because all of their respective careers were nearly numberless previously. We then overrated their value for 2012. I also think the year that Hass set that Titans passing record was an anomaly in itself. It was the year of the lockout and passing offenses seemed to come out that year with a huge advantage over defenses as a whole. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/kerry_byrne/01/03/2011.season.review/index.html 1) 500-yard passing games in the 2011 season: Tom Brady (517) in Week 1 at Miami; Matthew Stafford (520) in Week 17 at Green Bay. NFL quarterbacks topped 500 yards in a game just 10 times from 1920 to 2010. 2) Passers who topped 5,000 yards through the air in the 2011 season: Brees (5,476), Brady (5,235) and Stafford (5,038). Eli Manning (4,933) fell just 67 yards of the 5,000-yard milestone, giving the 2011 season four of the six most prolific passing performances in NFL history. 3) Quarterbacks who topped 40 touchdown passes in 2011: Brees (46), Aaron Rodgers (45) and Stafford (41). Brady fell just one TD shy of joining the list. 4) Touchdown passes thrown by Green Bay backup QB Matt Flynn in the season finale against the Lions, a franchise record -- no small feat for an organization that boasts three Hall of Fame QBs (Arnie Herber, Bart Starr, Brett Favre) and the reigning Super Bowl MVP (Rodgers). Flynn's 480 passing yards are also a franchise record 5)7- League-leading interceptions by New England's Kyle Arrington, Green Bay's Charles Woodson and San Diego's Eric Weddle, tied for the fewest INTs to lead the NFL since the 10-game season of 1940. 6) 68.8 -- Baltimore's league-best Defensive Passer Rating in 2011. Only one team in history led the league with a Defensive Passer Rating that was worse: the 2007 Chargers (70.0). 7) 122.5 -- Passer rating in 2011 by Green Bay's Rodgers, a single-season record for passing efficiency. 8) 468 -- Completions by Brees in 2011, breaking the record of 450 set by Peyton Manning in 2010. Now it could be argued- and was by the writer of the article- that is just the next progression of the passing game in the NFL, but I also think its reasonable to look at those numbers and wonder if the lockout created a wave of passing records being broken in 2011. http://www.advancednflstats.com/2011/10/whats-going-on-with-passing-in-2011.html This writer dismisses the lockout as a lazy conjecture but predicted a continued trend. I don't believe we saw that trend continue to the level that we saw it jump from 2010 to 2011. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I also think the year that Hass set that Titans passing record was an anomaly in itself. It was the year of the lockout and passing offenses seemed to come out that year with a huge advantage over defenses as a whole. http://sportsillustr...view/index.html 1) 500-yard passing games in the 2011 season: Tom Brady (517) in Week 1 at Miami; Matthew Stafford (520) in Week 17 at Green Bay. NFL quarterbacks topped 500 yards in a game just 10 times from 1920 to 2010. 2) Passers who topped 5,000 yards through the air in the 2011 season: Brees (5,476), Brady (5,235) and Stafford (5,038). Eli Manning (4,933) fell just 67 yards of the 5,000-yard milestone, giving the 2011 season four of the six most prolific passing performances in NFL history. 3) Quarterbacks who topped 40 touchdown passes in 2011: Brees (46), Aaron Rodgers (45) and Stafford (41). Brady fell just one TD shy of joining the list. 4) Touchdown passes thrown by Green Bay backup QB Matt Flynn in the season finale against the Lions, a franchise record -- no small feat for an organization that boasts three Hall of Fame QBs (Arnie Herber, Bart Starr, Brett Favre) and the reigning Super Bowl MVP (Rodgers). Flynn's 480 passing yards are also a franchise record 5)7- League-leading interceptions by New England's Kyle Arrington, Green Bay's Charles Woodson and San Diego's Eric Weddle, tied for the fewest INTs to lead the NFL since the 10-game season of 1940. 6) 68.8 -- Baltimore's league-best Defensive Passer Rating in 2011. Only one team in history led the league with a Defensive Passer Rating that was worse: the 2007 Chargers (70.0). 7) 122.5 -- Passer rating in 2011 by Green Bay's Rodgers, a single-season record for passing efficiency. 8) 468 -- Completions by Brees in 2011, breaking the record of 450 set by Peyton Manning in 2010. Now it could be argued- and was by the writer of the article- that is just the next progression of the passing game in the NFL, but I also think its reasonable to look at those numbers and wonder if the lockout created a wave of passing records being broken in 2011. http://www.advancedn...ng-in-2011.html This writer dismisses the lockout as a lazy conjecture but predicted a continued trend. I don't believe we saw that trend continue to the level that we saw it jump from 2010 to 2011. Oh, I agree completely. Before this season I said I thought there was a better chance that nobody passes for 5,000 yards than two people do it. It seemed an uptick of unnatural size and, so far, seems to have come back to normal in the one year since. Still, it seems a bit of nonsense to claim Hass wasn't largely responsible (as much as a QB is solely responsible) for what WRs did in 2011. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 MH was like 14th in the league in passing yards, near the bottom for 16 game starters, lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 What's your point Vanessa? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenj Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 MH was like 14th in the league in passing yards, near the bottom for 16 game starters, lol Sam Bradford ranked #16 this year in passing yards, and he started the entire season. That result made you proclaim how awesome he was and how Fisher "aired it out." Besides, I thought passing yards didn't matter? It's pass efficiency right? In that regard, you don't want to see how Locker ranks this year compared to the rest of the league... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMJ Posted January 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Jamal just owned Oman oof Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 The point is you're bragging about MH ranking 14th in passing yards as if it was some great feat. Just because it ranked highly in franchise history doesn't mean it was a good season league wide And cenj you made the dumbass point that the WRs posted all these great numbers with MH throwing the ball and I shot that dumbass point down by posting Washington's really good numbers with Locker throwing the ball, not MH. Ya'll brought up the weak ass passing yards, not me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenj Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 And cenj you made the dumbass point that the WRs posted all these great numbers with MH throwing the ball and I shot that dumbass point down by posting Washington's really good numbers with Locker throwing the ball, not MH. Ya'll brought up the weak ass passing yards, not me. Either you are blatantly lying to try and cover up your terrible arguments (highly likely), or you've lost all reading comprehension. I never said a word about stats in my original post -- you did. You brought it up to rationalize how Locker looked better with WRs last year. I made a general statement about how the group looked strong. Jamal, Prag and myself only brought up stats AFTER you used it to knock Hass: Fix the QB position and the playcalling, and I bet the WRs will look a whole lot different. The group looked like on of our strongest units a year ago when Hass was throwing the ball. Remember back then, they were supposedly awesome and it was Hass that was the problem. Actually the 2nd half of the season a lot of the numbers from the WRs came with Locker throwing the ball in games MH was either benched or injured. Against the Falcons Washington had 9 catches 115yds and 2 TDs, guess who was throwing the ball? Against the Saints NW had 6 catches 130yds and 2 TDs, guess who was throwing the ball? The WRs racked up better stats when MH wasn't the one throwing the ball. MH scored about 3 points in each of those games If you didn't think MH was a problem you don't know much MH was like 14th in the league in passing yards, near the bottom for 16 game starters, lol What's your point Vanessa? Hass was the starting QB for the majority of the season and the WR group looked great -- stats are irrelevant. Guys looked more open, had better hands, etc. -- the argument was that Hass's arm limited the WRs and that with Locker, they would all take off. It didn't happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 LOL, yea ok. What exactly was was the measure you were using to try and say the WRs looked better last year with the mighty MH throwing them the ball? You made a stupid statement trying to pump and MH and it was off base. The WRs performed better with Locker throwing the ball in every way. The Tennessean showed last season how much more effective the WRs were with Locker throwing them the ball. Locker had a very impressive 8.2yds per pass in 2011 compared to MH's pitiful yds per pass. The WRs had a better yds per reception and were much more effective down the field. Here is your lame ass quote: The group looked like on of our strongest units a year ago when Hass was throwing the ball. Remember back then, they were supposedly awesome and it was Hass that was the problem. Yea I remember last season when Hass was the problem and the WRs didn't look good with MH throwing the ball. And anyone that doesn't remember it can be reminded with the stats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Cenj I'm sure you missed this quote right? Well if we're talking about just putting up numbers, Hass did enough of that one way or another to set Titans passing records... so yeah he probably played a big role in passing numbers WRs put up in the 2011 season. Convenient Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenj Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Cenj I'm sure you missed this quote right? Convenient Nope, that comment wasn't until after you brought up passing stats TWICE when no one was talking about stats. That one generic comment was after those posts and you continued spouting passing yards as the end all measure. You brought up the moronic point about passing yards and then lied about how everyone else mentioned it first. Get your head out of your ass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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