Gentrification of Real Estate in Nashville Inner City.

[IsntLifeFunny]

7 minutes ago, Number9 said:

I have failed to explain this properly.  I see a neighborhood I grew up in until the age of 14.  I was born in that neighborhood.  We moved out.  I also have owned businesses and rental properties in that neighborhood.  The last one I owned was one of the houses I once live in.  By then I would only go there during the daytime, when necessary.  It's a bad area.

 

I think I posted this before, but I owned two houses inside two blocks of 12-South.  I lived in one and rented the other.  At that time the neighborhood was primarily working class people.  I knew this area was going to be prime property.  At a duplex I owned there was a vacant lot nearby and drug dealers tried over and over to get me to rent to them.  I refused.  Later on after I had a very good anchor tenant renting, they started dealing drugs on the vacant lot next door.

 

I called the police.  I talked to police officers I knew casually.  I called and talked to the councilman of the district.  Each time I was told they would do something.  Nothing was ever done.  The drug dealers burned the stomach of my base tenant's dog and he moved.  Again, nothing was ever done.

 

Fast forward to today, 37208 has the HIGHEST incarceration rate in America.  I think there is a discriminatory difference in the way the law is applied according to the wealth of the residents in the neighborhood.  Now, I'm all for that for me in my neighborhood.  People like these hoodlums are afraid to walk down my street at night.  But I think all people in the city should have the rights of police protection.  If they policed these neighborhood properly, they would not go bad.

 

I will never agree with you that locking up people so other people could move into a neighborhood is right.  This sort of thing is not just happening in 37208.  It's happening in rural areas as well.  The degree is just different.  They are not helping the people falling through the cracks in the counties surrounding Nashville either.  You start to see it when they come get your cousin or son, but the time to act is now.

 

The judicial system should not be a tool of real estate developers.  A line from Woody Guthrie's Pretty Boy Floyd says it best,  "some rob you with a gun and some with a fountain pen."

 

Are you saying Nashville has essentially implemented a stop and frisk type of situation so as to continue on with the overall growth of the city? Don’t respond with stories if you don’t mind. I’m trying to understand the context of what you’re saying. 

[Number9]

1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Are you saying Nashville has essentially implemented a stop and frisk type of situation so as to continue on with the overall growth of the city? Don’t respond with stories if you don’t mind. I’m trying to understand the context of what you’re saying. 

I am saying they are incarcerating people in that zip code at a higher rate than in the past.  I think when you force out the older relatives, the young ones are pushed into areas they don't want to be.  Kids probably try to hang around where they used to live.  They don't have jobs for them out there.  Social life.  You see it everyday stories about kids staying home until they are 30.

 

I have no stats except that 37208 has highest incarceration rate is USA.  All I have is how I see it.  A Nashville judge has started a program to try and help these young people.  I don't know how old you are ILF, but the next area where you will see this story unfold is across the bridge in Bordeaux.  This will take about 8 years.  All of a sudden this will be a high crime area.  They have a plan now to build a new bridge to that area.  It's needed a bridge forever, but this bridge serves a different group.  It will connect East Nashville to Bordeaux.

 

I am not against running out drug dealers, robbers and rapist.  Just do it all over the city.  When a guy making $400 a week gets robbed, try to get the person who did it.  That $400 means more to him and his family than a guy making 2K a week's money does to him and his family.  I rented a place to a white family.  They told me they would pay me.  They paid every month, on time for over 15 years.  He worked at a plant in east Nashville and his wife didn't work.  These are the kind of people being run out.

 

 

[IsntLifeFunny]

31 minutes ago, Number9 said:

I am saying they are incarcerating people in that zip code at a higher rate than in the past.  I think when you force out the older relatives, the young ones are pushed into areas they don't want to be.  Kids probably try to hang around where they used to live.  They don't have jobs for them out there.  Social life.  You see it everyday stories about kids staying home until they are 30.

 

I have no stats except that 37208 has highest incarceration rate is USA.  All I have is how I see it.  A Nashville judge has started a program to try and help these young people.  I don't know how old you are ILF, but the next area where you will see this story unfold is across the bridge in Bordeaux.  This will take about 8 years.  All of a sudden this will be a high crime area.  They have a plan now to build a new bridge to that area.  It's needed a bridge forever, but this bridge serves a different group.  It will connect East Nashville to Bordeaux.

 

I am not against running out drug dealers, robbers and rapist.  Just do it all over the city.  When a guy making $400 a week gets robbed, try to get the person who did it.  That $400 means more to him and his family than a guy making 2K a week's money does to him and his family.  I rented a place to a white family.  They told me they would pay me.  They paid every month, on time for over 15 years.  He worked at a plant in east Nashville and his wife didn't work.  These are the kind of people being run out.

 

 

We have a shortage of police officers. I’ve said for a long time cops and firefighters are probably the two most underpaid jobs in the country. When you think of the growth and the shortage of cops it isn’t surprising. 
 

What we are seeing is the price of progress. People are being pushed out as wealth continues to flood the city. People are affected, especially the lower and lower-middle classes. There’s no way to stop it. The benefit to the city is the fact the city has a glut of good jobs with upward mobility.

 

People are disproportionately affected by these types of situations. The police are never going to treat the classes the same. I see what you’re saying though. Driving through East Nashville and seeing Shotgun mansions next to huddle houses with bars on the door is definitely a strange sight. 

[Rogue]

2 hours ago, Number9 said:

I will never agree with you that locking up people so other people could move into a neighborhood is right.  

No one has said this is right.  What has happened is you have failed to adequately explain why this is your belief with facts.  
 

Please provide some evidence people are being incarcerated so that other people can move in.  

 

 

[Number9]

1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

We have a shortage of police officers. I’ve said for a long time cops and firefighters are probably the two most underpaid jobs in the country. When you think of the growth and the shortage of cops it isn’t surprising. 
 

What we are seeing is the price of progress. People are being pushed out as wealth continues to flood the city. People are affected, especially the lower and lower-middle classes. There’s no way to stop it. The benefit to the city is the fact the city has a glut of good jobs with upward mobility.

 

People are disproportionately affected by these types of situations. The police are never going to treat the classes the same. I see what you’re saying though. Driving through East Nashville and seeing Shotgun mansions next to huddle houses with bars on the door is definitely a strange sight. 

 

Thank you.

[IsntLifeFunny]

7 minutes ago, Rogue said:

No one has said this is right.  What has happened is you have failed to adequately explain why this is your belief with facts.  
 

Please provide some evidence people are being incarcerated so that other people can move in.  

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsmv.com/news/study-shows-north-nashville-has-highest-incarceration-rates-in-the/article_4567c6ce-a556-511f-a6dc-0ecad99a2264.amp.html
 

It's a No. 1 ranking no one wants to have and it has a Nashville address. The Nashville zip code 37208 has the highest percentage of incarceration in the nation, according to a new study.

A new study from the Brookings Institution lists the 40 U.S. zip codes with the highest incarceration rates.

North Nashville was first on the list. East Nashville (37206) came in at No. 38.

 

[Number9]

9 minutes ago, Rogue said:

No one has said this is right.  What has happened is you have failed to adequately explain why this is your belief with facts.  
 

Please provide some evidence people are being incarcerated so that other people can move in.  

Read my post two posts above yours.  That is all I have.  

[Rogue]

3 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsmv.com/news/study-shows-north-nashville-has-highest-incarceration-rates-in-the/article_4567c6ce-a556-511f-a6dc-0ecad99a2264.amp.html
 

It's a No. 1 ranking no one wants to have and it has a Nashville address. The Nashville zip code 37208 has the highest percentage of incarceration in the nation, according to a new study.

A new study from the Brookings Institution lists the 40 U.S. zip codes with the highest incarceration rates.

North Nashville was first on the list. East Nashville (37206) came in at No. 38.

 

There is nothing in this article to suggest gentrification is the reason for the high incarceration rate.  

[Rogue]

4 minutes ago, Number9 said:

Read my post two posts above yours.  That is all I have.  

All you have is feelings.  I told you where to find injustices.  But people being incarcerated for no lawful reason?  You have not provided a single link to suggest this is anything other than your gut feelings.  
 

Provide something.  It should not be hard to show people are being incarcerated for no apparent reason.  

[IsntLifeFunny]

3 minutes ago, Rogue said:

There is nothing in this article to suggest gentrification is the reason for the high incarceration rate.  

Correlation doesn’t equal causation and all that Jazz. You asked for evidence. I provided it. Don’t quibble when it’s given.

[IsntLifeFunny]

1 minute ago, Rogue said:

All you have is feelings.  I told you where to find injustices.  But people being incarcerated for no lawful reason?  You have not provided a single link to suggest this is anything other than your gut feelings.  
 

Provide something.  It should not be hard to show people are being incarcerated for no apparent reason.  

Sheesh. What the fuck are you on about? I just provided you a link that shows a specific part of Nashville has the highest incarceration rate in the entire country. That backs up his assertion as something that if you, as an intelligent person, on who knows 9, would say it at the least backs up his assertion and is worthy of further digging. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

One thing @Number9 didn’t discuss is how we are the only city in the entire country that has the main interstates cross through it without the need of a highway. We attract crime here. We are one of the world’s leading cities in human trafficking. I’ve watched it happen before and had to react twice with my girlfriend, once at Oprymills, and another downtown where two girls tried to drug her. I think all of that comes into play inside of this equation. 

[Rogue]

11 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Correlation doesn’t equal causation and all that Jazz. You asked for evidence. I provided it. Don’t quibble when it’s given.

You didn’t.  I’ll ask you to specify where it says incarcerations are because the poor refused to leave their home, or whatever it is are being suggested.  

[Rogue]

11 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Sheesh. What the fuck are you on about? I just provided you a link that shows a specific part of Nashville has the highest incarceration rate in the entire country. That backs up his assertion as something that if you, as an intelligent person, on who knows 9, would say it at the least backs up his assertion and is worthy of further digging. 

I have seen nothing to suggest an increase in incarceration percentage was because of gentrification.  I mean, surely something can be provided that innocent people were removed from their home forceable?  Right?  I’ve seen no links that provides this theory.  

[IsntLifeFunny]

53 minutes ago, Rogue said:

You didn’t.  I’ll ask you to specify where it says incarcerations are because the poor refused to leave their home, or whatever it is are being suggested.  

Do you not know 9? Of course I can’t provide what you ask. He made an assertion and backed it up. I then provided a link to a part of his claim. I never said he was correct. I provided evidence to his assertion that the police are being used in a certain manner. I never said I agreed or disagreed with him. I merely linked the fact he wasn’t wrong about 37208 having the highest incarceration rate in the entire United States. When I looked it up I found it pretty shocking.