Police raid home looking for weed......success they found a small amount of weed!

[TitansWycheck89]

No excessive force used in the video

IMO

Show me clear video of what the dogs were doing. Maybe they were lunging at the officers. I don't know

Please don't feed me that Non-Lethal weapons crap.

It was a HIGH (Meaning HIGH RISK OF DANGER) RISK search warrant. Things happen faster then you can possibly imagine. There isn't enough time to switch from your rifle to grab your mace or taser.

[tinman]

No doubt... Probably the DUMBEST still on the books...

But it is still a law cause no one has the backbone to change it..

[Guest]

I am pretty sure Whycheck knows shoddy police work when he sees it and he's totaslly right.

They were enforcing their orders and they were enforcing the law and they were protecting themselves accordingly.

That is their job.

The law is disgusting and sick and leads to these tragedies everyday.

[tinman]

back on board... Nothing wrong with that line of thought

[Guest]

Athough REO does make a good point that maybe the pre work was shoddy since they clearly thought they were going to meet more resistance than they did.

We have no way of knowing...for all we know that house often had armed thugs in it and they happened to get there at a good (bad?) time.

[Pragidealist]

What does this have to do with the video?

Show me copies of the Search Warrant. All the reports taken by the officers in this invesigation. Let's get some statements from the judge to okay a night search which almost always goes along with high risk warrants.

There really wasn't any shoddy police work other than perhaps the dogs. But you don't know the context of what exactly where they prepared to do.

Let's say I wanted to write a search warrant for Oilerman for possession and the intent to sell Heroin.

This is what has to happen.

First of all there has to be reasonable suspicion to believe that Oman was committing the crime.

How does that happen. For example in this video they claim that they neighbor saw them dealing drugs.

So lets say Jamalism called in reporting Oman doing business.

That alone is not enough to write a search warrant unlike what the video says.

An officer will likely head out to the area and check it out. We see TitansGuru leaving the house. We can pull him over because he was leaving a known drug house with a lot of recent acivity. TitansGuru then says he can prove that Oman is dealing and making them.

We will take Guru in and question him, search him and look him up. It turns out that Guru has been a reliable source within the department before. Meaning he has identified other drug dealers.

We then give Guru money and have him purchase the drugs. This is called a controlled buy. After he makes the purchase we then document everything.

Everything that has just happened will be documented. The days or weeks in which the investigation takes place. The times, address(s), cars. Everything.

This will end up being like a 4 or 5 page report.

It's a very long process and if something doesn't look right on the warrant the judge will reject it and say fix it.

Let me explain this again.

Pay attention.

This appears to be a search and seizure during the night time. In order for the judge to say: Yes, I as a judge approve this search warrant during the evening hours.

There must be reason to believe that the suspect in question is dangerous

There always has to be reason for something. You can't just tell a judge I want to search this guys house because I heard from this guy that he is a dealer. That is basically what these reporter morons are trying to sell in this video.

It's very complicated, time consuming affair in which every single detail must be mentioned.

Which means IF there was very little drugs in the house and IF the cops went it and shot a family pet, pointed guns a kids and manhandled a non resistant suspect to the ground.... something went wrong somewhere.

The sensationalistic point of the video.. was not that a drug dealer was arrested. Kinda not news.

It was the aggressiveness against an apparently mild an non dangerous family- along with shooting two dogs. Something in the enforcement process went wrong somewhere IF those things were true.

OR it could be the guy was dangerous and that they the video shows a perfectly legit operation happening that looked worse than it was. Either way it had NOTHING to do with the actual crime.

[reo]

I am pretty sure Whycheck knows shoddy police work when he sees it and he's totaslly right.

They were enforcing their orders and they were enforcing the law and they were protecting themselves accordingly.

That is their job.

yeah, he probably does. There's not enough info here to tell if they were justified in their reasoning. End result is they used more force than was necessary therefore at some point down the line they used bad judgement and were wrong.

The law is disgusting and sick and leads to these tragedies everyday.

The law had nothing to do w/ how much force they used. As detailed by Prag, there are plenty of instances of excessive force w/ about any law. That in and of itself doesn't mean the law is bad. It could still be bad but that reasoning doesn't make that case. Yeah if the law isn't there then it won't happen but that's not a good reason against the law.

If you want to discuss the law itself, that's fine but in this case they used too much force and that's the issue imo, not the law.

The law being good or bad is a separate discussion.

[Pragidealist]

I am pretty sure Whycheck knows shoddy police work when he sees it and he's totaslly right.

They were enforcing their orders and they were enforcing the law and they were protecting themselves accordingly.

That is their job.

The law is disgusting and sick and leads to these tragedies everyday.

But accordinng to Whycheck they would have had a very very strong reason to suspect him to be dangerous. Which means - again- it wasn't about the law.

Cops didn't just bust into some poor guy's house, kill his dogs, and throw him to the floor over of a bag of marijuanna.

[Guest]

So if he was a car thief, it would be fine for them to bust in and shoot his bird and toy dog? Give me a break. No.

What is with all these red herrings?

We have already established it's OK to shot the bird.

Car theft is a crime with a victim and a loss of property. The cops have to go get that guy. It;s a just law.

Explain to me who the victim is when someone smokes marijuana and most everyone in America doesn't agree with it being a class a drug?

And I never see 15 guys in bulletproof vests breaking down a car thief's door.

[TitansWycheck89]

Perhaps the End doesn't Justify the Mean.

But there are way to many questions to judge this video. I mean it there is a lot of stuff that we do not know and for us to go point the finger blaming the law or the officers is premature.

[Guest]

But accordinng to Whycheck they would have had a very very strong reason to suspect him to be dangerous. Which means - again- it wasn't about the law.

Cops didn't just bust into some poor guy's house, kill his dogs, and throw him to the floor over of a bag of marijuanna.

Yes they did. its exactly what happened. A neighbour ratted him out for selling MJ. The cops have to assume the guy's got weapons.

The bottom line is it;s the unjust law that is at fault and creates the entire situation.

[Pragidealist]

Perhaps the End doesn't Justify the Mean.

But there are way to many questions to judge this video. I mean it there is a lot of stuff that we do not know and for us to go point the finger blaming the law or the officers is premature.

Granted. Answer this. Would the raid, shooting of the dogs, restraining the suspect forcefully- have anything to do with the drug charge in particular? Or would it be about a threat assessment to the police?

[TitansWycheck89]

Yes they did. its exactly what happened. A neighbour ratted him out for selling MJ. The cops have to assume the guy's got weapons.

The bottom line is it;s the unjust law that is at fault and creates the entire situation.

Not true at all.

[Pragidealist]

Not true at all.

Thank You!!!

[Guest]

Prag you do know thatn it;s possible that bad people sell marijuana right? The p[olice don;t get to interview them before raiding. They may have guns. they may have bad guy friends there. They ma=y have vicious attack dogs. They have no freaking idea.

It's as simple as this:

"We're raiding a marijuana dealer grab the guns and shoot all threats"