March for Our Lives

[Justafan]

56 minutes ago, patsplat said:

@Justafan zero-tolerance policing i.e. sending police officers into hotspots to throw the book at everyone has a history of causing problems.  The program is given credit for "cleaning up" NYC but there's a long history of problems.

 

Programs like violence interrupters are more successful

I'm open to ideas.  Bottom line is it's a complicated problem and deserves a thorough debate with strong solutions.  I don't pretend to have all the answers, which is why I look for the empirical data instead of listening to the latest opinion fad.  Honestly, I don't have much of a dog in that fight other than I sympathize with mothers who are burying their kids and black leaders who look at the rest of us and ask why?

 

I know some people who were very supportive of "Stop and Frisk" and credit it with the NYC cleanup that you mentioned.  I'm not convinced that's the answer or the only answer or even an answer. What I do know is that there is evidence that suggests that targeted policing can be effective in reducing gun violence in an area.  I also know it is a threat to constitutional rights to stop someone and search them without cause and that broken window policing strategy is bound to come with secondary consequences regardless of intentions and serious backlash from those targeted.

[Starkiller]

On 3/27/2018 at 3:14 PM, Justafan said:

I'm also glad that we can actually study gun violence with the CDC now 

Oh, can we now?

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/11/gun-violence-research-714938

 

House Republican appropriators Wednesday rejected a proposal to designate millions of dollars for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for gun violence research, voting 32-20 to keep the language out of a fiscal 2019 spending bill.

 

The party-line vote marked Democrats’ latest failed bid to spur studies into preventing firearm-related injuries and deaths — and comes despite a bipartisan agreement earlier this year that the CDC is permitted to conduct such research. The agency's ability to study gun violence had been limited by a 1996 provision that prevented the CDC from collecting data to advocate for gun control.