scine09 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 No thats not how it works. The report states it's more probable than not that Brady knew about it. It does not provide a smoking gun which would give them the leverage they need to take action. The NFL has to be careful here for the reasons I noted in my previous response to Scine. What smoking gun could they possibly get? Video of this happening on tape? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 They have enough to punish Brady to the fullest extent of the fine. They pretty much absolved the Pats organization in the report. Pretty much the NFL suspects Brady acted alone with the aid of some ball-handling flunkies. Okay so punish Brady then. I have no problem with the organization walking even though I highly doubt that Belichick had no knowledge of this. Although Sean Payton was suspended for a year for being "ignorant." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 What smoking gun could they possibly get? Video of this happening on tape? Something more than "We can't prove Brady wasn't involved so we believe he was". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Scine, you are inferring what you want to based on your preexisting bias against the Patriots and Brady. Ask yourself if the evidence presented in the report would be enough to sanction the QB of the Titans? Honestly I think the NFL will likely pursue Brady for not cooperating with the investigation instead as that is clear as day. I said in another post, specifically referencing the Titans, that if a player on the Titans did this he should be severely punished. If Marcus Mariota was paying off people to give him a competitive advantage I'd be furious and want him punished. This has zero to do with my opinions of the Patriots and everything to do with the fact that I don't like people who cheat and then cover it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 I believe the Patriots knew full well what has been going on with the tampering of footballs. There isn't hard evidence at all though. Just that Brady was definitely the instigator, and the equipment managers carried out his wishes in exchange for gifts from Brady. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Something more than "We can't prove Brady wasn't involved so we believe he was". That would involve seeing someone do it on tape. They have enough text messages and circumstantial evidence to conclude that he was likely involved. And of course Brady didn't cooperate which can lead us all to draw our own conclusions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Take a junior high marketing class and maybe you'll grasp my point. I need to take some drugs to get on your level dog! I don't believe that junior high students are taught that cheating is good publicity. At least I hope not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 I don't want any of that. I want the NFL to set an example and show the rest of the league and also the youth who follows the league that cheating is not acceptable and, worse, covering it up is not acceptable. A suspension, even if it's one game, will serve notice. The worst part for Brady is the public embarrassment of the whole thing. Like it or not it does taint his legacy and tarnish his reputation in the court of public opinion. Maybe it doesn't to you but if you look at the polls about this around the country it's about 60-40 for those who believe it taints his legacy. And, worst of all, it makes him look like a sleazebag. I'm not saying you necessarily want this the more extreme punishments but the sentiment is most definitely out there. I disagree with the one game suspension because it goes beyond the scope of the crime committed. The punishment for tampering with balls is a fine of $250,000 or more. Fine the dude 1 mil plus or something. Brady is the one who did something wrong so he's the one that should be punished. Punishing his coaches, teammates, and fans who are innocent in this is a little much to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 I agree that The Patriots as an organisation should not be punished. (With regards to fines for Kraft, loss of draft picks). I didn't make that clear above. But both of the equipment managers should be stripped of their jobs, and Brady should be suspended 4 games IMO To suspend Brady for 4 games is to punish everyone with any ties to that organization. That's too far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titansurf32 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 I don't believe that junior high students are taught that cheating is good publicity. At least I hope not. Your still not quite getting my point. I put this infraction at the same level as playing with a tinted visor without the proper medical clearance. Give them a fine and move on. Why this is a scandal, hopefully you guys can one day show me the light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 To suspend Brady for 4 games is to punish everyone with any ties to that organization. That's too far. I see it as no different to PED use. Both are attempting to gain an unfair advantage over the opposition, thus both deserve the same punishment. I don't think the profile and caliber of player Brady is should factor into the decision at all, but unfortunately it probably will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 They have enough to punish Brady to the fullest extent of the fine. They pretty much absolved the Pats organization in the report. Pretty much the NFL suspects Brady acted alone with the aid of some ball-handling flunkies. What purpose does fining Brady serve? Will that hit home that cheating is not acceptable and covering up is not acceptable? This needs to get out to the masses. A fine will not do that. If I was an owner and someone did that in my organization, after seeing the overwhelming evidence in the report, he or she would be fired. While I realize that Brady won't be kicked out of the league something unprecedented needs to be done. And, again, this has NOTHING to with my feelings on the organization and Brady and NOTHING to do with whether he actually did indeed get a competitive advantage. It's the intent and the example it will set for America and others that is big for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 To suspend Brady for 4 games is to punish everyone with any ties to that organization. That's too far. How so? He did this to himself. If the Patriots didn't like it then maybe they should have paid more attention to what was going on instead of looking the other way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Your still not quite getting my point. I put this infraction at the same level as playing with a tinted visor without the proper medical clearance. Give them a fine and move on. Why this is a scandal, hopefully you guys can one day show me the light. It's a scandal because Brady did something against the rules and tried to cover it up. And has apparently been doing it for 11 years. What the rule is has absolutely nothing to do with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 I'm not saying you necessarily want this the more extreme punishments but the sentiment is most definitely out there. I disagree with the one game suspension because it goes beyond the scope of the crime committed. The punishment for tampering with balls is a fine of $250,000 or more. Fine the dude 1 mil plus or something. Brady is the one who did something wrong so he's the one that should be punished. Punishing his coaches, teammates, and fans who are innocent in this is a little much to me. Fining him $1 million is like fining most of us $100. How's this then? If you want to punish Brady and not the organization then make him ineligible for the Hall of Fame. I can't think of any other punishment that would really hit Brady hard and not impact the team. A fine will not do that. Even if you took away his entire 2015 salary. The guy is one of the 5 richest QB's I believe of all time and consider how much money his wife has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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