Syria became a perfect political football for President Obama

[IsntLifeFunny]

So much wrong with your post. Check all of my sources. They destroy your continued bashing of head into wall syndrome.

[IsntLifeFunny]

Yeah blame Obama for the 2009 budget that was in place before he was elected and then say the garbage about the deficit. Seems legit.

And it's the only budget under this administration. We're going on five straight years without a budget. Guess that's all the terrible Republicans who were the minority in both housed for his first two years...Jeez.

[IsntLifeFunny]

And saying 'this is what businesses always do' when it's been shown that the entire historical trend has changed in one year is beyond stupidity. Check the sources.

[Starkiller]

So much wrong with your post. Check all of my sources. They destroy your continued bashing of head into wall syndrome.

Not a single one of your sources undercuts my rebuttals.

[Starkiller]

And it's the only budget under this administration. We're going on five straight years without a budget. Guess that's all the terrible Republicans who were the minority in both housed for his first two years...Jeez.

At least this is a reasonable complaint.

That said, it's not as if the GOP would have passed a budget anyway, so on a practical matter it doesn't really make a difference.

[IsntLifeFunny]

Not a single one of your sources undercuts my rebuttals.

And none of your discussion discounted my points.

[Starkiller]

And saying 'this is what businesses always do' when it's been shown that the entire historical trend has changed in one year is beyond stupidity. Check the sources.

This was changing before Obamacare, regardless. Healthcare costs were rising (as they have for decades) and businesses were cutting costs in a bad economy.

That's capitalism for you...

[Starkiller]

And none of your discussion discounted my points.

Most of them did, actually. Others just pointed out they were meaningless.

[IsntLifeFunny]

This was changing before Obamacare, regardless. Healthcare costs were rising (as they have for decades) and businesses were cutting costs in a bad economy.

That's capitalism for you...

Except for the part that it flipped in one year...The 40 hour work week has been destroyed by Obamacare. My source shows that it's already begun on a massive scale, as for every one new full time job in America, there are six part time jobs. This is the inverse of historical trends, and it just started last year.

 

If that's 'just capitalism' then why has it never happened in the history of our country since we've had a stated forty hour work week?

[IsntLifeFunny]

Most of them did, actually. Others just pointed out they were meaningless.

No. It was just your usual Liberal meandering. Saying 'credit is cheaper than ever!' Hilarious.

[IsntLifeFunny]

I'm done with this thread. If anyone wants to educate themselves on the failures of the president then they can check my sources and see this tripe about 'that's capitalism' and 'credit is cheap!' while we're heading over a fiscal cliff. It was all the Republicans!!

[Starkiller]

No. It was just your usual Liberal meandering. Saying 'credit is cheaper than ever!' Hilarious.

Doesn't make it any less true...

But more importantly, as I said, history shows that government spending is the only way to boost the economy out of a recession with a vicious cycle of cost cutting by consumers and businesses. That's why the stimulus, even though it was too small, helped to buoy the economy.

That's simply economics. Conservative fiscal ideology can't change that.

[Starkiller]

Except for the part that it flipped in one year...The 40 hour work week has been destroyed by Obamacare. My source shows that it's already begun on a massive scale, as for every one new full time job in America, there are six part time jobs. This is the inverse of historical trends, and it just started last year.

 

If that's 'just capitalism' then why has it never happened in the history of our country since we've had a stated forty hour work week?

Lowering employees work hours is merely a dodge to get around providing healthcare. Employers still have to hire workers to cover the same number of hours. They just hire more workers to work fewer hours per worker to get under 30 hours/week. In the end, employers aren't cutting total hours, just benefits (which they were already not offering).

[IsntLifeFunny]

Lowering employees work hours is merely a dodge to get around providing healthcare. Employers still have to hire workers to cover the same number of hours. They just hire more workers to work fewer hours per worker to get under 30 hours/week. In the end, employers aren't cutting total hours, just benefits (which they were already not offering).

Last post on this.

 

You just admitted why these businesses are doing this and why the trend has flipped. Instead of viewing the source, you put it on the businessman who's goal is to create profit and keep his business profitable. If the government takes any other step besides putting this on the businessman, then I would have probably supported it. I was actually a supporter of the public option. Even single payer would have been better than this. Instead, we've been left with a monstrosity of a bill that by CBO projections has already increased in price (not insurance but how much Obamacare was estimated to cost) by 40 percent since 2010.

 

We are reaching a fiscal cliff and the solution is more credit? I don't place all of the blame on Obama. But acting like he isn't liable for any of it is mind boggling to me. He's the president. He also came to power on a message of hope, peace, and change. Is multiplying the access of the NSA sound like any of those things?

 

You are an intelligent person, so I don't understand the constant spinning. I'm done with it. I get heated about this stuff too much.

 

Good debate, and I respect the fact you stand by your beliefs. I would urge you to step back and stop viewing it through political lenses and see that the people in Washington are corrupt and incompetent on both sides, and they really don't give two shits about any of us.

[Starkiller]

Obama is the president of a government in gridlock. I find it hard to blame him for not getting things done when the cause of that is a unified Republican front whose goal is to never negotiate and never comply with him. Can't be done. Obama has a history of working with both sides, and his terrible negotiating stances have shows too much of that. But he can't work with an entrenched oppositional party determined not to work with him.

Do I think Obamacare was the perfect answer? No. I just think it's an improvement and the best that he could get past Congress. But I do think it works if the right stops trying to intentionally hobble it. And history has shown it to work elsewhere.

As for Obama's failing and mistakes, I'm not saying there haven't been any. Just that most of what people talk about are overblown and many are out of his control. Other presidents get blamed for things out of their control, too, so Obama isn't unique. But there are practical, real world issues that he has to handle that don't fit into people's ideological boxes and that often draws complaints.