Jamalisms Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Since I mentioned it on the podcast, teams that went run, run, pass on third to start the game: Cowboys (penalty negated first play into a no play): First down converted Atlanta : First down converted Baltimore : First down converted Arizona : First down converted Tennessee : Punt San Francisco : Punt Other teams who ran on the first two plays: Carolina : First down on second play Oakland : First down on second play Pittsburgh : Fumble on second play Kansas City : Third running play converted first down St Louis : First down on second play Green Bay : First down on second play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 So Romo, Ryan, Flacco and Lindley converted and Locker and Kaep didn't. Except for Lindley there is almost a trend there. Too small of a sample size though to really say much about it... Maybe over a season but that's a lot of games to go through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 So Romo, Ryan, Flacco and Lindley converted and Locker and Kaep didn't. Except for Lindley there is almost a trend there. Too small of a sample size though to really say much about it... Maybe over a season but that's a lot of games to go through. Not a big enough sample size and I'm not going through the games, correct. If it was bad teams converting, the argument would be that only stupid, losing teams do this. It's a no win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 b/c I'm not talking about converting 1st or 2nd down (not short). I'm talking about getting completions. Just getting a completion on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 10 even if it's a short 2-3 yard gain or a screen that goes no where, is a much more favorable situation than getting a short completion on 3rd and short out of the spread when the defense is looking for a short pass. 3rd and short is a favorable down for the offense anyway you slice it. The entire playbook is wide open. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 3rd and short is a favorable down for the offense anyway you slice it. The entire playbook is wide open. Exactly. It may be good to question why we ran the play we ran (and that guy got fired) but the situation itself is just fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonboy Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Jamal and oldschool joining forces. The apocalypse has to be near. Pragidealist 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Oldschool feels dirty. Try not to call attention to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Didn't the towel get thrown in on Jamal last time he went 3 rounds with someone? TKO? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Oldschool feels dirty. Try not to call attention to it. When you are being reasonable I have no beef with you. I do need to shower though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Didn't the towel get thrown in on Jamal last time he went 3 rounds with someone? TKO? Jamal doesn't go 3 rounds with anyone. He's like Rocky. No matter how bad his argument is, he doesn't quit. ;-) Gotta love backhanded compliments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 The last time Napoleon and I went three rounds, I won the only round that mattered. The others I volunteered for the less popular side and still came close to winning. It's like literally fighting with one hand behind your back and you barely lose... not the end of the world. Prag, Rocky wins. Pragidealist 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I appreciate your statistical and analytical approach to the game @Jamalisms but I think sometimes we enter a forest from the trees type scenario. As a whole, there was a lack of urgency in the passing game and lack of rhythm until very late in the game. Based on the ebb and flow of the game it certainly felt like the Titans should be passing earlier and more often based on how the situation was unfolding yet the Titans continued to run the ball on early downs. I understand that 3rd and short are favorable down and distances but not when they're so clearly telegraphed as passing plays and within the context of the game come at moments when there's zero rhythm in the passing game. Playcalling is an art, not a science and it seemed clear last week that Palmer was completely out of touch with what was happening on the field. reo, and Pragidealist 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) Not a big enough sample size and I'm not going through the games, correct. If it was bad teams converting, the argument would be that only stupid, losing teams do this. It's a no win. The argument would seem to be that young QBs generally need some easy completions to work them into the game plan (Locker, Kaep) instead of only coming to them when the pressure is on on 3rd down. The majority of the QBs that converted were vets (Romo, Ryan, Flacco). 3rd and short is a favorable down for the offense anyway you slice it. The entire playbook is wide open. People always say the playbook is wide open but then people bitch if they go deep... sometimes even if they get it. The defense will be watching the short stuff more closely especially early since those are the easier completions. Then you get wanting a young QB to either thread the needle into coverage on a short throw or complete a long throw on their first pass or 2 of the game. Or you could make a short completion on 1st and 10 or 2nd and long-medium when the defense is backed up and not watching the short throw. Edited November 27, 2012 by reo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I appreciate your statistical and analytical approach to the game @Jamalisms but I think sometimes we enter a forest from the trees type scenario. As a whole, there was a lack of urgency in the passing game and lack of rhythm until very late in the game. Based on the ebb and flow of the game it certainly felt like the Titans should be passing earlier and more often based on how the situation was unfolding yet the Titans continued to run the ball on early downs. I understand that 3rd and short are favorable down and distances but not when they're so clearly telegraphed as passing plays and within the context of the game come at moments when there's zero rhythm in the passing game. Playcalling is an art, not a science and it seemed clear last week that Palmer was completely out of touch with what was happening on the field. I appreciate you appreciation and encourage you to consider that you can always find a flaw when looking at each individual leaf and acting like it represents the entirety of a tree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Round 4, you lose again But I can't remember what that was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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